CZ Bren 2 ACR Brace Adapter Legal Question

[timewaster1700]

So I'm curious, are these ACR brace adapters for the tail hook and strong-arm braces legal? Like is the Dan Haga one legal and what makes it legal or illegal. Part of the ACR stock is there and yet the part that made it a butstock has been taken away. If you were to 3D print you're own like the guy on AR15 did is that legal? Does it need some sort of approval from the ATF?

[Aries144]

Yes, it's legal. The brace itself is the part that must be approved by ATF. The only additional thing ATF has said is “The ATF has advised that a braced pistol with a length of pull in excess of 13.5 inches may constitute a re-design of the brace into a stock.”

There's something you need to know about ATF if you don't already. ATF contains many individuals who sought positions there in order to pursue anti-gun activism. The only reason braces are still a useful thing is because the more radical elements within ATF have felt restrained under the current administration.

DO NOT poke the bear by asking ATF questions. It doesn't provide much legal benefit in court anyway and it often makes the nastier elements there aware of new avenues through which to harass or threaten us.

https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/blog/keeping-your-ar-15-pistol-build-within-legal-limits/

[timewaster1700]

Yes, it's legal. The brace itself is the part that must be approved by ATF. The only additional thing ATF has said is “The ATF has advised that a braced pistol with a length of pull in excess of 13.5 inches may constitute a re-design of the brace into a stock.”

There's something you need to know about ATF if you don't already. ATF contains many individuals who sought positions there in order to pursue anti-gun activism. The only reason braces are still a useful thing is because the more radical elements within ATF have felt restrained under the current administration.

DO NOT poke the bear by asking ATF questions. It doesn't provide much legal benefit in court anyway and it often makes the nastier elements there aware of new avenues through which to harass or threaten us.

https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/blog/keeping-your-ar-15-pistol-build-within-legal-limits/

I apologize my intent is not to poke the bear which is why I'm asking it here rather than writing a letter to the ATF. Just want to make sure I'm following the law with whatever avenue I decide to take with the new Bren 2 pistol I just ordered. Thanks for the help

[MeatAxe]

Too many nitwits writing the ATF for "clarification" is like using a hornets' nest as a piñata.

Learn to accept "yes" as vague as it may seem. As bureaucrats, ATF agents are basically indolent, but then if you have idiots whack the piñata enough times, they feel like they have to get off their duffs and do something, which is invariably a negative for gun owners.

[Aries144]

I understand completely. No need to apologize! I too prefer to stay well inside the law.

I hope you enjoy your new Bren 2! I really like mine.

[armoredman]

ATFE has their fair share of time wasters and pork fat, like any other government agency. I have also met actual ATFE agents, (field, not the lab rats), who were decent hard working people. They also seem to have NO sense of humor whatsoever...worked two gun shops and two ranges, true story there. But they were doing a difficult and vaguely defined job with as much frustration as we have.
The folding adapter doesn't constitute a "redesign" of the brace, as far as I know, ( I am NOT an ATFE lab rat, special agent, or any other federal LEO), as when it is extended the brace still needs to be properly affixed to your forearm to function as designed. That is my layman's interpretation, admittedly biased to keeping braces legal as they serve a valuable function, especially to our disabled veterans. I would myself like sometime to look into the folding brace adapter - the BREN 2 MS is just WAY too much fun!

[timewaster1700]

Thanks!

[1nQU1s1t0r]

If you're really concerned about it, install a length of pull limiter in your telescoping brace to stay under the (ridiculously arbitrary) 13.5" number. SB Tactical makes one for their brace, but should work with any buffer tube, provided you can find them. They're out of stock pretty much everywhere right now.

Strike Industries also has one, different approach than SB, as it's a fixed length, but you trim it down to the size you need.
https://www.strikeindustries.com/shop/products/popular-items/strike-industries-ar-stock-stop.html