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Offline gombey

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Failure to Fire. Failure to Extract CZ-P09
« on: November 08, 2020, 10:51:10 PM »
Ok, so I’m hoping this is an ammo thing. On a few occasions, maybe four, I’ve had the above malfunctions.

I’ve also had two occasions where the round did not fire  and I attempted to perform immediate action (forgot about the second strike capability) and the slide would not move rearward. I then tried to strip the mag to no avail.

I pulled the trigger again and the pistol fired.

The only after market modification I’ve made is the Cajun Gunworks firing pin retaining pin. I’ve also exchanged my back strap for the large one.

No. I’m not limp wristing or milking the grip.

Any ideas?

Offline Tok36

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Re: Failure to Fire. Failure to Extract CZ-P09
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2020, 11:26:46 PM »
When you installed the CGW FPRP, did you install it with the gap in the pin at or near 12 O'clock? What ammo were you shooting at the time?
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Re: Failure to Fire. Failure to Extract CZ-P09
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2020, 11:34:27 PM »
When you installed the CGW FPRP, did you install it with the gap in the pin at or near 12 O'clock? What ammo were you shooting at the time?
I think I did...lol. If this maybe the issue I will reinstall.

Some of the ammo was LAX, some American Eagle, some was SIG defence ammo.

Various weights on the American Eagle. LAX is 115 grain and the SIG stuff was 124 grain JHP.

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Re: Failure to Fire. Failure to Extract CZ-P09
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2020, 05:18:58 AM »
I doubt if the firing pin is the issue even if the gap is not clocked right. However if it the pins position needs to be changed I would do that. I would remove the barrel and do the plunk test on any ammo you intend to fire in the gun.

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Re: Failure to Fire. Failure to Extract CZ-P09
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2020, 07:14:50 AM »
Only time I've had a pistol slide hang up/be hard to pull to the rear was when the bullet was jammed into the leade or lands in the barrel.  Got a partial box of 140 grain LSWC (.38 special bullets) 9MM reloads sitting on the bench waiting for the next time I take the CZ75 Compact to the range.  The chamber/fire in it, but not in the P09 9MM (had a real struggle getting that slide to the rear to eject that first round).

Every now and then I read about a pistol that won't chamber some brand/bullet type of factory ammo. 
I just keep wasting time and money on other brands trying to find/make one shoot like my P07 and P09.  What is wrong with me?

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Re: Failure to Fire. Failure to Extract CZ-P09
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2020, 07:20:53 AM »
Going to re-insert the firing pin retaining roll pin and try the plunk test before I send it in.

It is supposed to be my duty weapon but I’m kind of nervous about using it in that role...

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Re: Failure to Fire. Failure to Extract CZ-P09
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2020, 07:47:33 AM »
Hate to hear the issues, hope you get it figured out. Definitely keep us updated. And by “duty” I assume you mean law enforcement and or military so thank you for your service.

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Re: Failure to Fire. Failure to Extract CZ-P09
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2020, 07:52:13 AM »
Thanks for the support!

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Re: Failure to Fire. Failure to Extract CZ-P09
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2020, 07:32:02 PM »
That is peculiar.  In the couple of thousand rounds I've put through my P-09, I don't recall a single malfunction like that.  Early on, I had a couple of failures to feed and attributed it to a small line being cut into the mag followers by some sharp brass.  I trimmed those and haven't had a problem since.
Please let us know what you find.
My P-09 and latest P-07 have been flawless since new.  My first P-07 was sprung a little tight so I un-captred the recoil spring and cut a little off of it.  It's been fine since as well. 

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Re: Failure to Fire. Failure to Extract CZ-P09
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2020, 11:46:14 PM »
The FPRP does need to have the gap facing upward toward 12:00, to avoid the firing pin impacting the gap when it is hammered forward or rebounding backward, but you shouldn't need to drive it out to confirm that... just shine a flashlight through there and you can see where the gap is.  If it's not oriented correctly, sure, drive it out and re-install it.

However, as mentioned above, that doesn't sound like it would cause the FTE problem you are having.  The way I understand it, if a firing pin problem, like a mangled stock FPRP sticking your firing pin forward, causes a feeding malfunction, it normally causes a failure-to-feed because the cartridge doesn't have clearance to get into the chamber in the first place... the rim runs into the protruding pin on it's way up the breech face.  I guess that's preferable to the gun firing out-of-battery, going full-auto, or similar scary outcomes.

I never had a FTE with my P-07.  The only failure-to-feed I have experienced was with one specific type of ammo and it was dragging against the bottom of the slide due to its shape and dimensions, but on a full mag only, so you stripping the mag would have solved that problem.  Your problem does sound like a sticking issue for the round in the chamber, so as mentioned by others you should plunk test some of the rounds that it failed on.  I would also inspect the chamber and throat of the barrel, visually, also maybe run a tight-fitting bronze brush through there a few times, followed by a few cloths on a tight-fitting jag, to see if you can feel it hanging up on any particular spot, and also to see if anything interesting comes out.
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Re: Failure to Fire. Failure to Extract CZ-P09
« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2020, 11:43:22 AM »
Ok. Passed the plunk test with all ammo I’ve used. My pin opening was not in the correct location. That’s been fixed.

I went to the range before I rotated the pin and was not able to recreate the malfunction where the slide locked up but did have a FTE and a FTF, might be repeating myself, the FTF was ammo related.

I’m going to see if I can make it back to the range this weekend and run a few mags through it again.

Thanks for the replies. I will attempt more of the recommended fixes if I get another FTE. Then send it off if they don’t work.

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Re: Failure to Fire. Failure to Extract CZ-P09
« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2021, 10:00:16 PM »
Well. I haven’t been able to replicate the issue. So I’m good.

In other news I purchased a P07. Lol

Now I just need to buy one more P07 and two more P09s...


My wife is going to kill me. [emoji16]