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Offline v35

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Federal judge overturns CA "assault weapons" ban
« on: June 04, 2021, 11:11:24 PM »
Not being an inmate a resident of California, USA I am by no means familiar with the letter of the law, but apparently there exists some restriction on the ownership and / or use of popular rifles such as the AR-15 in that state.

Well, today a federal judge just overturned that law. Read for yourself: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.casd.642089/gov.uscourts.casd.642089.115.0.pdf

The ruling is very enlightening in what I call "a penetrating glimpse into the obvious" but I can practically hear gun-control freak heads exploding clear across the fruited plain.

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Re: Federal judge overturns CA "assault weapons" ban
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2021, 11:38:32 PM »
CA assault weapon ban ruled UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!!
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1723165


From post#14

"Basic summary...

A 30 day stay was issued with the ruling.

During that 30 day window, CA DOJ can appeal the ruling to the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals.

If CA DOJ does appeal, then the stay remains in place until the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals makes a ruling, which can take 2-5 years.

If CA DOJ does not appeal, then after the 30 day stay is up, CA assault weapons laws will no longer be legal.
^This is when it will be legal to no longer abide by CA assault weapons laws."
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Re: Federal judge overturns CA "assault weapons" ban
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2021, 02:14:20 AM »
More like across the soy’d plains. ;D This is potentially awesome news for Cali though.

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Re: Federal judge overturns CA "assault weapons" ban
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2021, 06:58:03 AM »
It's good news for all the states with bans and good news for the future if the Fed. Gov. tries to pass similar laws.

The lawyers will point to the CA decisions as evidence that while such laws may be passed, they cannot be legal or enforced.

I hope NY, MA, and even here in VA they dim/lib/prog/socialist politicians are having problems getting to sleep worrying about it.
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Re: Federal judge overturns CA "assault weapons" ban
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2021, 08:03:56 AM »
During that 30 day window, CA DOJ can appeal the ruling to the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals.

If CA DOJ does appeal, then the stay remains in place until the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals makes a ruling, which can take 2-5 years.

We all know how the ninth circus court will rule............. so methinks it will end up at the SCOTUS if they will accept to hear it.

Not trying to throw cold water on the news, this is simply my take. Hope I'm wrong.
« Last Edit: June 05, 2021, 08:10:32 AM by double-d »

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Re: Federal judge overturns CA "assault weapons" ban
« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2021, 08:28:13 AM »
We all know how the ninth circus court will rule.....

Trump appointed ten of the 92 judges currently on that court.

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Re: Federal judge overturns CA "assault weapons" ban
« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2021, 09:10:52 AM »
https://oag.ca.gov/news/press-releases/attorney-general-bonta-responds-court-decision-miller-v-bonta

I'd like to know exactly what is "fundamentally flawed" about the decision.

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There is no sound basis in law, fact, or common sense for equating assault rifles with swiss army knives — especially on Gun Violence Awareness Day ...

So the comparison is more inappropriate on certain days than it is on other days? Let's be clear here.

Besides, the comparison is completely apt. The fact CA's AWB prohibits certain firearms on the basis of appearance, among other criteria, is beyond dispute. Benitez goes on page after page after page explaining that concept and the reason it's a specious concept as applied to the purpose and function of firearms.

Of course my opinion means nothing, but it's a curious statement to make. Benitez's "Swiss army knife" allusion does not even bear upon his decision. He could have used any other tool by way of illustration.

What this tells me is that Bonta didn't bother to read past the first four words in the 92 page decision. He disagrees with it, ok we get that.

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... and after the recent shootings in our own California communities. We need to take action to end gun violence now.

Ok fine. Take action then. After all that's what government does best, right?

Anyway. Everyone takes sides in a judicial decision and 2A defenders aren't any different in that regard. We don't like a decision and we rant and rave and holler and stomp our feet and so does the other side. But it's up to the litigants to come up with cogent arguments that support their position. The "Swiss army knife" remark isn't going to get much traction. CA doesn't regulate them (yet) (not as far as I know anyway).

The Ninth may in fact overturn this decision on appeal. I'd just like to know what's "fundamentally flawed" about it, because they'll have to soberly debate that question. Whatever that may be, it's going to be a bit more complicated than merely comparing a common black rifle to an equally common red pocket knife.
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Re: Federal judge overturns CA "assault weapons" ban
« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2021, 02:42:42 PM »
It's California. So, they will appeal and fight tooth and nail to keep their stupid ban. The issue will be decided by future court ruling(s), but at least its a step in the right direction.

But as with everything these days, I'll believe it when it's done.
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Re: Federal judge overturns CA "assault weapons" ban
« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2021, 05:40:50 PM »
It's California. So, they will appeal and fight tooth and nail to keep their stupid ban.

Of course. They only want the criminals using guns.