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Offline Billy A

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P-09, will there be an 'Optics Ready'??
« on: April 02, 2023, 09:19:02 AM »
Hi guys,

I own 3 guns at the moment. A P09 Kadet (22lr), 75 SP01 Shadow (9mm) and a 527 Varmint Laminated (223rem). So all CZ.

I'm still looking for a more 'compact' sized optics ready, polymer framed 9mm pistol. Like in the US they would say a 'carry pistol' although here in Belgium we can't carry [emoji28] We have dynamic shooting sessions twice a week at the range tho so also 1-2 times a month 'tactical drills'.

Now, I really like my Kadet so if CZ would have a P07/09 Optics Ready that would be my first choice. I know milling is an option but I'm not a big fan of messing around too much with the frame or slide of a pistol.

I'm obviously also looking at the P10C but also Springfield Hellcat Pro and Walther PDP are really interesting options.

Prices over here, VAT included.
P10C = $695
Hellcat Pro = $785
PDP = $890

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Offline alp3367

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Re: P-09, will there be an 'Optics Ready'??
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2023, 05:58:03 PM »
Short answer is no, at least not anytime soon. More likely to be replaced by another model before an OR version is a thing.


Edit to add - There is no risk to having your gun milled by somebody competent. There would be multiple recommendations if you were in the U.S. but I don't know options for Belgium.

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Re: P-09, will there be an 'Optics Ready'??
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2023, 11:22:21 PM »
I’m running a P10C optic ready with a holosun RDS and taller sights so they cowitness. Added the HBI trigger kit. It’s a joy to shoot. Also have a loaded Sig320 with a dot. Also great. My wife would like something even smaller so I’ll probably get a subcompact Canik TP9 Elite with a small dot. She loves the trigger on my Canik Mete SFX Pro. Hopefully she’ll leave my P10C alone for awhile.
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Re: P-09, will there be an 'Optics Ready'??
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2023, 07:34:57 AM »
If I were in your situation and you just really do not want to mill your P09, I would go with the P10F. The reason I say that is it sounds like this will just be a fun range gun for you. I consider the HellCat pro to be sized for a carry gun and that is the only reason I would get one. Maybe look at a P07 and then mill it?
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Re: P-09, will there be an 'Optics Ready'??
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2023, 08:52:07 AM »
Question(s).

P09 - big pistol (really good, but big)  Not really a candidate for concealed carry for most people.  Seems like it would be a great gun for some competition typs.

P10C - Compact/small pistol).  Good candidate for concealed carry.  But it is it a good gun for the types of competition you mentioned?

P07 - a compact version of the P09.  I've been carrying concealed IWB a .40 S&W P07 for over a decade now. 

Yeah, would be nice if CZ would make them in OR models but we have no idea how many they sell in the first place.  We have no idea how many people would buy and OR P07 or P09 rather than something else if CZ started selling OR models of both.

CZ has stopped making so many guns many of us like and have bought over the years.  Stopped making the guns we would added to that list of CZ pistols in our safe's, closets, holsters.  CZ is going somewhere.  I guess we'll find out sooner or later.

For me it was worth it to have my P07 and P09 (one of each) milled for red dot sights.  The reliability and accuracy of those two made it worth it to me.

But lately, I'm buying non-CZ pistols.  M&P Shields in 9MM.  Reliability and accuracy are amazing.  The kind of variety of models CZ used to offer.

3.1" and 4" barrels.  Thumb safeties or no thumb safeties.  Standard and OR slides.  Night sights or no night sights.  Ported barrels or non ported barrels.  Models with 8/9 round magazine capacity, models with 10/13/15 round magazines.  Models with grip safeties.  Models without grip safeties.  Models with strikers and models with internal hammers (that look like striker fired guns but have a design/parts that make them easier for people with weak hand/grip strength to rack the slide.)

If you have your slide machined for a red dot you're tied into a certain size/footprint for any future red dot changes.  My P07/P09 can use RMRs, most Holosuns and maybe a few others.  I can't use the DP Pro sights and many others.

Be sure to spend the time researching what you want to do with the pistol and which pistols meet that need.

Good luck with it.
I just keep wasting time and money on other brands trying to find/make one shoot like my P07 and P09.  What is wrong with me?

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Re: P-09, will there be an 'Optics Ready'??
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2023, 06:08:00 PM »
But lately, I'm buying non-CZ pistols.  M&P Shields in 9MM.  Reliability and accuracy are amazing.  The kind of variety of models CZ used to offer.

3.1" and 4" barrels.  Thumb safeties or no thumb safeties.  Standard and OR slides.  Night sights or no night sights.  Ported barrels or non ported barrels.  Models with 8/9 round magazine capacity, models with 10/13/15 round magazines.  Models with grip safeties.  Models without grip safeties.  Models with strikers and models with internal hammers (that look like striker fired guns but have a design/parts that make them easier for people with weak hand/grip strength to rack the slide.)

S&W has done a good job with product selection and pricepoints targeted to the American consumer.  I don't particularly appreciate their recent Keltec knockoffs (M&P 12 & FFC), but excepting that no real issue w/ their business practices. 

Regarding CZ, I don't know quite what to make of their P10M at Taurus/Canik prices, and we've already hashed out their discontinuation of most of the options (colors, suppressor-ready, Omega system on everything except polymer frames, etc.) this year being a net-negative for the US consumer's taste and preferences, and probably also CZ's bottom line...

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Re: P-09, will there be an 'Optics Ready'??
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2023, 06:25:35 PM »
Now, I really like my Kadet so if CZ would have a P07/09 Optics Ready that would be my first choice. I know milling is an option but I'm not a big fan of messing around too much with the frame or slide of a pistol.

There are CZ P07/09 optics mounts that can be installed in the rear sight dovetail, and would be my recommendation.  For a home defense or range gun, I don't know that you need BUIS.

The pistol red dots market is still readily evolving, and especially if you haven't had considerable time w/ the red dots, you may find you prefer irons and find them faster (I know I do -- at distance, then yes, there is some benefit to red dot), but for fast shooting from draw at bad breath distances I prefer irons.  And then I also prefer a combo light/laser that can be zeroed at further range, if needed, instead of a the red dot -- and I would argue there are also reliability gains due to not having anything extra mounted to your slide as well...  Laser is not as fast to acquire in full daylight, but is as quick as red dot in indoor ranges  and lower light situations.  And unlike a red dot, it can also be activated and used when your weapon is not at full extension.

Good luck.

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Re: P-09, will there be an 'Optics Ready'??
« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2023, 07:34:58 AM »
IF, big IF, I was going to buy one I'd pick the M&P folding PCC over the Keltec.

Check it out.  Uses M&P magazines if you've already got them and carry a FS M&P 9MM pistols.

Barrel folds sideways so a red dot optic (not necessarily pistol sized either) and back up sights would be easy/workable.  Where do you put the optic on a Keltec?

My 9MM PCC are AR style (that consistency thing that lives in my head).
I just keep wasting time and money on other brands trying to find/make one shoot like my P07 and P09.  What is wrong with me?

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Re: P-09, will there be an 'Optics Ready'??
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2023, 06:03:56 PM »
IF, big IF, I was going to buy one I'd pick the M&P folding PCC over the Keltec.

Check it out.  Uses M&P magazines if you've already got them and carry a FS M&P 9MM pistols.

Barrel folds sideways so a red dot optic (not necessarily pistol sized either) and back up sights would be easy/workable.  Where do you put the optic on a Keltec?

My 9MM PCC are AR style (that consistency thing that lives in my head).

The Ruger PC9, all being takedown models are nearly as compact and a more robust design than either, including all metal at critical junctures.  Go w/ the charger version if you need uber-compact.  Mostly same controls as 10/22.

I have a couple sub2ks and do do some reliability and improvement mods to them, but even modest mods you're turning a $400-500 gun into a $700-$800 one relatively easily -- the Gen2 Sub2k definitely shaves off some cost due to improved front sight and stock adjustment, but not much in the way of critical parts.  I generaly upgrade feed ramp, rear sight , trigger springs and trigger bar, charging handle, metal trigger, tube cover, buffer, heavier bolt upgrade depending on how the gun recoils and what I'm shooting in it, screws and posts, etc...  If I didn't already have a bunch of spare Sub2k parts, I'd go either PC9 or AR9...  B/c metal-central, I would also trust both as trunk guns as well -- not ideal for the role, but could definitely take the Texas heat.

At the time I got into Sub2ks when still their Gen1, Colt was the only AR9 lower on the market (best as I can recall) so by the time you added the Hahn magwell insert to all the other options and dealt with all the other unique 9mm features and headaches, it was still cheaper by a couple hundred dollars to mod the Sub2k (and 9mm ARs w/ barrel options in rifle length were significantly heavier than Sub2k as well), and I also didn't own any other ARs at the time of the first Sub2k acquisition...  Now, 9mm ARs are ubiquitous and ARs of all sorts are much cheaper and easier to build as well, and I have more and have spent more time n ARs.  Glock 9mm ARs also weren't really a thing best as I can remember.

Depending on the pistol brace rule outcome as well as whether there's a lightweight factory or aftermarket barrel option for the Ruger LC carbine, I might offload the Sub2ks, even if at a loss.  Regarding pistol brace rule and bought my first Sub2k before those were on the market -- the compact nature and balance due to pistol grip mag, was huge appeal and desired feature of the Sub2k vs other options at the time...  However, I increasingly view, given other options (Ruger's PCCs and PCC ARs) that we have now, that upgrading Sub2ks as putting lipstick on a pig these days.

And except for ammo cost and my caliber inventory, as well as weight due to its unnecessarily heavy barrel -- the LC carbine does everything I purchased the Sub2k for (that primarily being for a compact HD gun) better.   And I only see the S&W carbine addressing a couple of the issues w/ the Sub2k's design -- certainly not all of them -- although is probably a better consumer gun since it doesn't necessitate as much DIY "gunsmithing" out-of-the box.
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