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Offline armoredman

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New era - black powder cartridges
« on: May 07, 2024, 07:38:19 PM »
Yes, that is what I said, black powder 45 Colt rounds. Why? Why not, plus I bought a Howell conversion cylinder for my Uberti 1858 Remington New Model Army.



So, I tried once already - goofed hard. Long time casters here will instantly realize what went wrong when I say first, I used wheelweight lead. You never use anything but dead soft or as close as you can get with black powder.
Second, look at the lube grooves - perfect for modern smokeless lube, but WAY too small for black powder lube, which is a whole different animal from what a modern round has on it.



Third,, the lube itself - I made it from wax bullets I had been given and olive oil. AFTER this was all said and done the guy who gave them to me, (great dude), mentioned they were over 40 years old, and the beeswax MIGHT be a little deteriorated. You don't say?
It didn't help that I didn't have a cookie cutter, so they went through the sizer like this.



Aha, I see someone in the back doing the facepalm thing, yes, it was a HUGE mess. Needless to say, it was a heckuva mess to clean up.
First, I tested some smokeless powder loads with powder coated bullets, and the results were encouraging. With the steel used in these guns, cartridge loads MUST be either black powder or Cowboy Action levels, i.e., nothing above 850FPS. They are also loaded shorter because the cylinder is shorter than a standard 45 Colt.










But, I came to talk about black powder...So, I loaded 20, and we tested them on the firing line. Oh, did I mention I followed someones advice on the starting loads, and I was light? It should have been about 35 grains.



Da Boy wasn't really impressed, but I think it's because accuracy was nil.

11 paces.



When we fired the last one, the cylinder didn't want to move and I had to almost hammer out the cylinder pin, because there was no good lube softening the fouling. However, I DID get this awesome shot.



So, after talking to several MORE knowledgeable people I cast up a different bullet, this time from recovered range lead, which is as close to dead soft as I can get, seeing that most of it comes from jacketed bullets...which tend to be dead soft. This is the Lee 200 grain SWC. Notice something different? Yes, that is one HUGE lube groove!



All I needed was a decent lube, and today, my SPG tropical lube came in from MidwayUSA. It's a black powder hard lube made specifically for hot climates, so this might work well. Yes, I also powder coated some of them to trey with smokeless, of course.

So, this weekend...we will try again.


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Re: New era - black powder cartridges
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2024, 09:00:28 AM »
Very Interesting!  8)  Good Luck to you with the softer Bullets and the new Lube!  :)
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Re: New era - black powder cartridges
« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2024, 09:04:36 AM »
I saw a you tube (think it was on you tube) video where a guy was using the wax seals for toilet installation as bullet lube.  Quite a bit of wax in one of those seals.  I don't remember if there was anything else mixed with it or not.  Every time I walk through the plumbing supplies at Lowes I remember that video.

I could be wrong, but somehow I don't think people who grew up using black powder firearms went to a range and fired hundreds of rounds in a day like some people do these days with smokeless powders.

What does the corrosive powder residue do to the brass cases?  Do you boil those or soak them in water and dry them prior to reloading?
I just keep wasting time and money on other brands trying to find/make one shoot like my P07 and P09.  What is wrong with me?

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Re: New era - black powder cartridges
« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2024, 09:12:19 AM »
found it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xufHIgMr8DU

Just go to about 1 minutes 15 seconds into the video and he starts talking about the wax rings (different types/sizes and what they are made of).
I just keep wasting time and money on other brands trying to find/make one shoot like my P07 and P09.  What is wrong with me?

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You guys are nuts!
« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2024, 09:12:55 AM »
And I guess that is why I can't stay away from this forum for more than a day or two!   :)

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Re: New era - black powder cartridges
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2024, 07:19:40 AM »
Some folks in cowboy action have been shooting 45 or 44-40 in black powder.

Next time I get to a match, I'll try and remember to ask what they do/use.   Unfortunately that won't be for another month.

Some folks use black powder in the shotgun and smokeless in the revolver/lever guns.

What I can say - it is AWESOME to watch!!!!!

Thanks for letting us know what you are doing with it!
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Offline armoredman

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Re: New era - black powder cartridges
« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2024, 08:30:40 PM »
So I got my SPG lube and a god friend, (same guy), made me a customized bullet cookie cutter for hard lube that I picked up today. So...whaddya think I am going to do tonight?  8)

I also got 100 nickel 45 Colt brass, so when I find the best looking bullets, I'll put those in the leather belt slide. :D

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Re: New era - black powder cartridges
« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2024, 09:45:48 PM »
We have success!

















Not the numbers - I watched 1 and 2 hit with a center target hold, moved to a 6 o'clock hold...and wow.



I only had ten rounds and the wind was insane. However, this opens some new and interesting doors!

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Re: New era - black powder cartridges
« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2024, 10:46:29 AM »
Congratulations on your new loads working out well!  8)  :)

Btw, Starline makes excellent Brass! I've used it in the .45 ACP.
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Re: New era - black powder cartridges
« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2024, 11:53:52 AM »
This is fascinating, AM.  Good job.

I guess that pistol would look funny with a red dot, huh?   :)

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Re: New era - black powder cartridges
« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2024, 12:32:40 AM »
It would indeed, sir. :) However, if I have devolved to using my New Model Army as my defensive sidearm, either way it means the world has gone nuts!

I will be hitting the lead pot soon, gotta make more bullets!