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Offline polecat

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New CZ offerings ?
« on: December 18, 2024, 09:08:33 PM »
So, James from TFB fame hinted at some new and updated designs coming, it sounds like one will use the name from the past. I wonder if it is Rami or Phantom?

The P09 update is out already. The P10 was shown briefly at Shot or NRA last year I can’t recall. He said one is totally new design. I am looking forward to their offerings. I couldn’t resist the new P09.

I would like to see more CCW oriented offerings, kind of like what they did with the Blue and Red  competition Sp’s, but maybe with aluminum frame 75 compact, or P01.
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Re: New offerings?
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2024, 06:25:42 PM »
Unfortunately I don't have an in anymore, no idea what's coming.

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Re: New CZ offerings ?
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2024, 01:53:50 PM »
What I would like to see, is a concerted effort by CZUB to send more doggone OEM parts to the US so it's not like a search for the Holy Grail to get replacement parts...

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« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2024, 03:07:46 PM »
What I would like to see, is a concerted effort by CZUB to send more doggone OEM parts to the US so it's not like a search for the Holy Grail to get replacement parts...
They have been out of nearly everything for quite a long time now with no relief in sight. I have an idea and it's only that and I hope I'm wrong but I think going forward CZ will become like Colt in that you won't be able to buy spare parts like we used to. I think they are going to want us to send guns in for service rather than having the ability to work on them as we did in the past.
So why do I think such a thing? 19 months ago I filed a warranty claim for a loaded chamber indicator that went missing on one of my PCR's. They sent the indicator pin but the spring and retaining nut were and have been out of stock for all of that 19 months. I called recently and spoke to them and they claim now the only way I can get the lci fixed is to send them the gun. I asked why they couldn't just send me the rest of the parts and just like a robot the guy says you have to send the gun. The conversation did not end well...
The good news for me is I was able to find all the parts I needed at Numrich a long while ago.

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Re: New CZ offerings ?
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2024, 04:10:48 PM »
What I would like to see, is a concerted effort by CZUB to send more doggone OEM parts to the US so it's not like a search for the Holy Grail to get replacement parts...
They have been out of nearly everything for quite a long time now with no relief in sight. I have an idea and it's only that and I hope I'm wrong but I think going forward CZ will become like Colt in that you won't be able to buy spare parts like we used to. I think they are going to want us to send guns in for service rather than having the ability to work on them as we did in the past.
So why do I think such a thing? 19 months ago I filed a warranty claim for a loaded chamber indicator that went missing on one of my PCR's. They sent the indicator pin but the spring and retaining nut were and have been out of stock for all of that 19 months. I called recently and spoke to them and they claim now the only way I can get the lci fixed is to send them the gun. I asked why they couldn't just send me the rest of the parts and just like a robot the guy says you have to send the gun. The conversation did not end well...
The good news for me is I was able to find all the parts I needed at Numrich a long while ago.


Oh no! You can’t say that here! You’ll be criticized for criticizing the usual (lousy) Colt Management! “There’s a war on,” after all — even though CZ parts are readily available from Eastern Europe (close to the actual Uke / Russia war zone), though technically you’re supposed to have an import license from the ATF / US Customs to buy them on the internet. Hopefully, Trump will eviscerate the ATF so we can buy gun parts direct from the war zone without issue. Or, maybe, Numrich and other enterprising souls here in the US will import more parts direct from CZ UB, and thus cut COLT-cz USA out of the loop.
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« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2024, 05:00:49 AM »
Well I'm basing an opinion on a real experience with CZ-USA in their current state. As I said I hope I'm wrong but it certainly seems they are moving another direction.

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« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2024, 10:06:12 AM »
The good news for me is I was able to find all the parts I needed at Numrich a long while ago.

Just thinking out loud here (and off topic from OP)= 

Why can't aftermarket companies manufacture, uhm, aftermarket parts to service the CZ?  Is it a problem with patents??? I wouldn't think so.
No problem rebuilding a Harley-Davidson, air cooled VW Beetles, Kirby vacuums and the venerable 1911 with non-factory parts.   
U.S. made aftermarket parts also avoids ATF importation problems----- if they were produced.

Methinks the aftermarket conglomerates could simply step up their offerings, unless of-course, the CZ shooting market is rather niche and will not support the money expenditure by the likes of a Ed Brown, Bill Wilson or ??
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Re: New CZ offerings ?
« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2024, 10:15:10 AM »
The good news for me is I was able to find all the parts I needed at Numrich a long while ago.

Just thinking out loud here (and off topic from OP)= 

Why can't aftermarket companies manufacture, uhm, aftermarket parts to service the CZ?  Is it a problem with patents??? I wouldn't think so.
No problem rebuilding a Harley-Davidson, air cooled VW Beetles, Kirby vacuums and the venerable 1911 with non-factory parts.   
U.S. made aftermarket parts also avoids ATF importation problems----- if they were produced.

Methinks the aftermarket conglomerates could simply step up their offerings, unless of-course, the CZ shooting market is rather niche and will not support the money expenditure by the likes of a Ed Brown, Bill Wilson or ??

I don’t think the US market for CZs is large enough for an after market supplier to want to enter

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« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2024, 11:22:56 AM »
I don’t think the US market for CZs is large enough for an after market supplier to want to enter

There are aftermarket suppliers of CZ parts. Cajun Gun Works and CZ Custom make some quality parts and kits and many springs are available in the aftermarket. There are many small parts though that they do not make. This is true of many brands though.
 
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Re: New CZ offerings ?
« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2024, 12:50:18 PM »
To the original topic, I vote Phantom for a next gen military P-10.

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Re: New CZ offerings ?
« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2024, 05:55:39 PM »
The good news for me is I was able to find all the parts I needed at Numrich a long while ago.

Just thinking out loud here (and off topic from OP)= 

Why can't aftermarket companies manufacture, uhm, aftermarket parts to service the CZ?  Is it a problem with patents??? I wouldn't think so.
No problem rebuilding a Harley-Davidson, air cooled VW Beetles, Kirby vacuums and the venerable 1911 with non-factory parts.   
U.S. made aftermarket parts also avoids ATF importation problems----- if they were produced.

Methinks the aftermarket conglomerates could simply step up their offerings, unless of-course, the CZ shooting market is rather niche and will not support the money expenditure by the likes of a Ed Brown, Bill Wilson or ??

I don’t think the US market for CZs is large enough for an after market supplier to want to enter

That’s an incorrect assumption. The US civilian market is CZ’s (and the world’s) largest firearm market, dwarfing national militaries.

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Re: New CZ offerings ?
« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2024, 06:19:53 PM »
The good news for me is I was able to find all the parts I needed at Numrich a long while ago.

Just thinking out loud here (and off topic from OP)= 

Why can't aftermarket companies manufacture, uhm, aftermarket parts to service the CZ?  Is it a problem with patents??? I wouldn't think so.
No problem rebuilding a Harley-Davidson, air cooled VW Beetles, Kirby vacuums and the venerable 1911 with non-factory parts.   
U.S. made aftermarket parts also avoids ATF importation problems----- if they were produced.

Methinks the aftermarket conglomerates could simply step up their offerings, unless of-course, the CZ shooting market is rather niche and will not support the money expenditure by the likes of a Ed Brown, Bill Wilson or ??

I don’t think the US market for CZs is large enough for an after market supplier to want to enter

That’s an incorrect assumption. The US civilian market is CZ’s (and the world’s) largest firearm market, dwarfing national militaries.

Don’t think so.  Look at sales data.  https://www.falcoholsters.com/blog/the-5-most-popular-full-size-pistols

Glock alone is a huge share of civilian sales

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Re: New CZ offerings ?
« Reply #12 on: December 31, 2024, 12:01:04 AM »
The good news for me is I was able to find all the parts I needed at Numrich a long while ago.

Just thinking out loud here (and off topic from OP)= 

Why can't aftermarket companies manufacture, uhm, aftermarket parts to service the CZ?  Is it a problem with patents??? I wouldn't think so.
No problem rebuilding a Harley-Davidson, air cooled VW Beetles, Kirby vacuums and the venerable 1911 with non-factory parts.   
U.S. made aftermarket parts also avoids ATF importation problems----- if they were produced.

Methinks the aftermarket conglomerates could simply step up their offerings, unless of-course, the CZ shooting market is rather niche and will not support the money expenditure by the likes of a Ed Brown, Bill Wilson or ??

I don’t think the US market for CZs is large enough for an after market supplier to want to enter

That’s an incorrect assumption. The US civilian market is CZ’s (and the world’s) largest firearm market, dwarfing national militaries.

Don’t think so.  Look at sales data.  https://www.falcoholsters.com/blog/the-5-most-popular-full-size-pistols

Glock alone is a huge share of civilian sales


What do sales of holsters and Glocks have to do with CZ sales in the US?

According to CZ UB’s CEO / CFO in a TFB interview, US civilian gun sales are their biggest market and priority (obviously) — not that Colt Management is accomplishing much in that regard.

At @ 5:15 mark:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tI86teAa4k8





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