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Offline brokenarrowjbe

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ruger LCP .380 vs Sig 232 vs bersa .380
« on: December 07, 2008, 07:42:51 PM »
Looking for a concealable useful pistol for the wife, the cz 83 is a bit big in the grip, I really liked it, she did not. Any thing I should know before continueing the search, especially about these pistols? thanks. John

PS Yes I am aware of the ruger recall. Also willing to reluctantly consider kel tec.

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Re: ruger LCP .380 vs Sig 232 vs bersa .380
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2008, 09:46:41 PM »
I'm not sure how much you want to spend, but I just bought a Kahr PM9 9mm to replace my Kel-Tec .32. The LCP is just another Kel-Tec as far as I can tell. The Kahr PM9 is a very small single stack auto and has minimal recoil. Polymer frame with stainless slide and internals. All steel on it is milled out of solid bar stock. I just ran 100rds through it without a hick-up. So far I think it's the best carry pistol I've ever handled. Sig is also bleeped good. I'd trust my life to either, but I'd be a little apprehensive about Kel-Tec, Ruger LCP or Bersa.
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Re: ruger LCP .380 vs Sig 232 vs bersa .380
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2008, 10:44:40 PM »
Ruger modified LCP's are now available I believe.  Small, polymer gun.  Doesn't really compare to the other two you mentioned.  Closest would be the KelTecs.  Very small, concealable polymer guns.

Sig 232.  Makarov/CZ-83 sized but single stack.  Reliable but $$$.

Bersa.  I believe it's slightly lighter than the 232, but a similar size.  They work, but I've seen various breakages with them.  Nothing serious or irrepairable, but enough to put them out of action.

Others.
Walther PPK or PPK/s.  Almost between the two sizes above.  They work, but my limited experience with one showed that it wasn't terribly accurate.  This might have been the weapon or me at that time.

Makarov - About the size of the CZ-83 but single stack.  Can get 380 barrels for it, mags stay the same.  They're all surplus, but work and are accurate.  Import supply has dried up, but they're still on various shop shelves.

PA-63.  Commie copy of the Walther.  Works, but lighter frame makes it a painful to shoot for any length of time.
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Re: ruger LCP .380 vs Sig 232 vs bersa .380
« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2008, 01:49:52 PM »
As far as I am concerned, you can't beat a Bersa.  We have 2.  Accurate and reliable, and very concealable.

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Re: ruger LCP .380 vs Sig 232 vs bersa .380
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2008, 12:54:03 AM »
I'll second the Bersa!  They are very well made, accurate, and reliable.  Were I in the Market for a .380, that is the way I would go!

As for the Walther PPK/S, I have an early German made one that has been excellent.  Very accurate and reliable.  The current S&W made PPK/S's have been okay, but inspect the workmanship on them before buying.

I'm more into small 9mm's for CCW, these days.

For a 9mm upgrade in juice, consider the new Taurus PT709 when it comes out, or the Taurus PT111.  Recoilwise, they should actually be more pleasant to shoot than a blowback .380.

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Re: ruger LCP .380 vs Sig 232 vs bersa .380
« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2008, 02:40:30 PM »
A friend of mine bought me a Skyy 9mm for my birthday (I ran into him in a local gunshop on my bday, and he was a bit loaded, methinks).  It is a cheap alternative for a compact 9mm.  Sort of like a Kel-tec, but with a somewhat better trigger.  I have put about 200 rounds of standard pressure ammo through it with no failures, but it is a little unpleasant to shoot for me since it bashes the knuckle of my strong hand thumb.  I don't view that as a major problem, since it does not look like the sort of weapon you should put a lot of rounds through.  Almost disposable looking, really.

If I really wanted one for long term use I would probably get a Kahr.

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Re: ruger LCP .380 vs Sig 232 vs bersa .380
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2008, 07:45:40 AM »
I have not had a chance to shoot all the weapons mentioned, however, besides my small collection of CZ's for a CCW I've aquired both a Kel Tec PF9 and the Ruger LCP and can comment on these.  Avoiding the debate of a 9 vs a 380 while both can be carried in the front pocket of a pair of Levi jeans the PF9 IMHO is sort of the the maximum size and not as comfortable. Clearly the little LCP is much easier to conceal and is almost unnoticed (by me) in my leather "Indy" jacket that has A2 flight jacket type pockets, the PF9 conceals easily but "I" feel it. I have both rigged with lasers an ArmaLaser for the PF9 and C/T for the LCP. I tend to carry the LCP much more often as it's just much smaller and much easier to conceal which for me is the most important thing. I have an IWB rig for mt PCR and while I can conceal it, not being a LEO it's not what I would choose to carry on a day to day basis just too big. Clearly the PCR is much more comfortable to shoot, however, the PF9 is really not too bad at the range, has real sights and has been very dependable for me. Also keep in mind it cost me about $270 for a chrome slide version so the investment is also none to steep. Now the LCP is a bit mor punishing at the range even a little 380 kicks in such a small package and the sights are tiny. Some say it's a SHTF point and shoot type weapon, clearly it's no range queen. I have the C/T laser and the finger extension which really helps and I'm pretty confident I can be effective to 10 yards or so but it's not a gun one wants to shoot much, it's a mouse gun that is easy to carry and hide. For me again, concealment is the top priority so the LCP is my usual choice. In a "Smart Carry" or "Thunderware" type rig one would have to be goosed to find the weapon. Now for a LEO it makes sense as a BUG unless one is going for deep cover but for the average Joe (not the plumber) who is looking for a pocket pistol that can be had for (I paid $260) a reasonable price it is worth a look, mine has also been very dependable. True Kahr makes a fine gun and if you got the bucks and are willing to pay for it I'm sure there new 380 is great. Bersa is also recommended by many but it is a much larger gun but it really depends what you want, a larger gun with bigger grips would tend to be easier to shoot but ain't going to slip into a front pocket like a mouse gun. While I'd say there is little question that both my PCR and PO1 are higher quality than either the PF9 or LCP there is also the logic should one ever have to fire ones weapon in self defense you will probably have to turn it over to the Police and it sure would break my heart more to give them my CZ than the little ElsiePee. Bottom line for me is the LCP is very easy to slip in my pocket with a Superfly holster, no muss no fuss. I've said this before, I'd really like to see CZ come out with a small single stack 9mm and would like to see what concept CZ would evolve if they considered to produce a "mouse" pocket pistol.
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Re: ruger LCP .380 vs Sig 232 vs bersa .380
« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2008, 09:37:42 PM »
Thanks, still leaning to the sig 232, but several friends recommend the 239 over the 232. This is for my wife. She all ready has a PCR that is to bulky for her. Shoots it great though. What about the ruger w/+p? Does it handle the power? Feed HP's reliably? Taurus millenium worth looking at? What is the RAmi like compared to the sig for carry? Seems like some FTF issues have been mentioned. What a decision, wife to have trustworthy pistol, without me to back her up. 1911 seems like the way to go. John

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Re: ruger LCP .380 vs Sig 232 vs bersa .380
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2008, 01:14:33 AM »
Taurus millenium worth looking at?

Yes!  Several of my friends are carrying them, and I am considering buying one or their new PT709 when it comes out.
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Re: ruger LCP .380 vs Sig 232 vs bersa .380
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2008, 07:44:58 PM »
narrowed it down to the sig or a bersa cc 9mm. Any comparisons? I liked the feel of the bersa 380 but really don't want two calibers that close to reduce chance of loading errors. Thanks, John