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Offline tz75

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$600 for a well used pre B... seems high to me?
« on: November 07, 2008, 04:52:26 AM »
Do pre B CZ-75's have a collector premium? Someone is selling a pre B for $600. It has been well used, but is still in working order. Much of the original finish has been worn off. There is some slight movement of the slide upward and from side to side, but nothing to bad. I want a pre B, but for $600, I could get a p-01. what do you think?

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Re: $600 for a well used pre B... seems high to me?
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2008, 07:31:00 AM »
That's way to much for a well used PreB.

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Re: $600 for a well used pre B... seems high to me?
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2008, 06:00:57 PM »
I've bought several NIB pre-Bs, and the highest I've ever paid was $450.  I traded once for one worth $600, with comparable value in used Milsurp guns.  $600 is way too much for a less than pristine gun. 

For that much, I'd buy a new or used B model, and have it gunsmithed to have a ver nice trigger.

The pre-B is not a true collectible.  But prices tend to vary widely around the country.  In some areas they're quite low, in others, very high.

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Re: $600 for a well used pre B... seems high to me?
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2008, 07:22:57 PM »
When you say pre-B, do you mean a first generation with the short rails?  If so that might explain the high price.

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Re: $600 for a well used pre B... seems high to me?
« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2008, 09:12:49 PM »
For a short rail, even $600 may be low.  But if its in rough condition, it has limited value as a collectible gun, and that's about the only reason to seek out a short-rail.

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Re: $600 for a well used pre B... seems high to me?
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2008, 05:58:50 AM »
The short rail CZs were the very first ones made, and relatively few have ever made it to the U.S.  Short rail means just that -- rather than the rails (that containhold the slide) being the full length of the frame, the rails are shorter.

It is my understanding, perhaps incorrect, that the short rails presented a durability issue, and were lengthened later, in production guns.

For a true (high value) collectible gun, you need original box, papers, magazines, and a gun in pristine condition. 

A restored, reblued, reworked gun seldom fetches anything close to what a top-quality "collectible" gun will bring.  In most cases, if you had extra work done (rebluing, for example) the extra work will not, when added to purchase price, bring the owner what he or she has invested.  Adds on seldom return their cost on ANY gun.

All of us are collectors, in a sense, but few of us are serious collectors intent upon building a "portfolio" of guns that will appreciate in value -- or, even if we were, would know how to do that.   (I learned this by collecting some Lugers and some Mausers, over the years -- I soon found that the people who really do well, as collectors, either go only for pristine guns that meet all the criteria of "collectibles" (and are truly rare), or simply acquire and keep the guns they like with no thought to value appreciation.

On one of the C&R forums, in years past, I remember some guys who have 100+ Mosin Nagent rifles, all relatively rough, back then, and none worth much more than $50.  They loved the guns and loved having a bunch of them.  They were collectors, too.

The price yo've been quoted is probably way too high. 
« Last Edit: November 13, 2008, 07:07:20 AM by Walt Sherrill »

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Re: $600 for a well used pre B... seems high to me?
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2008, 06:12:54 AM »
This year, I paid 600 bucks for a well-worn '78 short rail that had pristine internals. I had been specifically looking for such a gun, so 600 was a pretty good figure in my book. I absolutely love the gun.

Its all relative to your needs and wants. I'd say 600 is too high for an 80's 75 (with the full frame rails), but about right for a 76-79 short rail that has recently retired from its duties. You may occassionally spot one of these weapons on the auction sights.

In my opinion, 600 bucks for one of the older short rails isn't that bad, considering their rarity. According to the CZ published book, "Birth of a Legend", they made about 23,000 of them. Many of them were shipped off to countries outside of the Eastern Bloc, most notably in the southern African region. Many of those may not be seen again. Few of these short rails are in the US since they were very rarely imported here when they were new.

My short rail may not have any collector's value whatsoever, but it has definate value to me as a historcal item, now has alot of sentimental signifcance, and is one hell of a shooter. The quality of the craftsman ship is quite high.

Plus, they look really cool. Mine draws praise at the range almost everytime I go, despite its somewhat rough appearance.

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Re: $600 for a well used pre B... seems high to me?
« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2008, 08:42:28 AM »
If it is a short rail version and the story about getting it from Colt has merit, I'd say it's probably worth the $600 - IF you are interested in the historical side.

All guns have a story, and getting an early CZ-75 that Colt used for comparative tests is pretty interesting. If only you could track down some of the people that did the evaluations, I'm sure they'd have some interesting things to say.

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Re: $600 for a well used pre B... seems high to me?
« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2009, 05:07:36 PM »
I agree thats far to high $600 thats a little steep...

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Re: $600 for a well used pre B... seems high to me?
« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2009, 05:45:04 PM »
Seeing as this thread is 3 months old, I'm guessing the OP made his decision long ago and this stuff is out of date now anyway...
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