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Offline William Chase

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Gun control laws, then, now, and maybe to come
« on: January 23, 2009, 06:41:30 PM »
OK, I decided not to tack all this onto the largely-unrelated thread that BobC and drscooter, amongst others, were posting in. I wanted to talk about gun control laws in general, and those that seem to be in our near future. To that end, I will start. I hope we can all keep the discussion to facts and opinions, and not name-calling and slurs. I am aware this is a topic than generates a lot of emotional responses, but I'm hoping we can be passionate without getting too emotional.

So, unlike what some folks trying to stir up emotions in the recent election suggested, I'm pretty sure those in government who are, indeed, trying to completely eliminate firearms ownership in the US are not going to send troops around to seize them. Like many of these sorts of things, the RKBA will be nibbled away at bit by bit. And, again like so many of these things, it will be the poorer, and the inner city residents, who are paying and will continue pay the most.

The ammunition serialization schemes proposed will increase the cost of said ammo. That increase will cause some to forgo practice and thus make them less comfortable with their firearms, potentially leading to abandonment. Ditto for forcing manufacturers to include "child-safe" mechanisms. And the magic "safe gun" that will only fire for it's owner. Even if these things could be made to work, and be even reasonably reliable and useful, the added costs will force more than a few gun owners to relinquish their arms.

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Re: Gun control laws, then, now, and maybe to come
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2009, 10:23:54 PM »
Here is a link to an E-Book that lists most of the anti gun claims and rebuttals of same.  Sources for the rebuttals are provided. It can be read online or downloaded. It makes for some interesting reading.

www.GunFacts.info

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Re: Gun control laws, then, now, and maybe to come
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2009, 10:43:00 PM »
As the message in my signature says, John Connor (Guncrank Daries: "Straight Talk", American Handgunner, March/April 2009 issue) believes the biggie will be complete nullification of the 2nd amendment. While I believe that's an "Apocalypse NOW!" (not the movie) scenario, [we'd put up too much of a fight to let something that final happen) it does have definite merit to it. The entire thing begins with a debate about the D.C. vs. Heller case, and that the 5 to 4 case was ridiculously close. He refers to Dr. Lawrence Tribe, a prof. of (K) law at Harvard, and one of the best and brightest out there. Unfortunately, Dr. Tribe has held the belief that the 2nd amendment is a collective and not individual right, which means gun ownership could be deemed "Government Only".  He claims that it can be nullified like the 18th amendment already has, and I can see the logic in that reasoning.


I doubt gun control proponents would be satisfied with anything less than total and indefinite prohibition, even if futuristic security measures were implemented. They'll always claim one death is two too many, and it'll never end. I guess we'd better gear up, though. As far fetched as repealing the 2nd amendment seems, it's a very real possibility when you consider how Obama passed that bailout through congress, with out a single (well, I heard something about 2 republicans voting for it; I dunno) republican "Yes". Some guy on the news said it quite frankly "Well, we won. That's all there is to it." That kind of flippant attitude already shows their eagerness to throw Obama's promises of unity and bi-partisanship right out the window, and he won't do a thing about it because everything's going his way, either.