SP 01 Phantom Question

[CZDan]

Ok...I'm sure that it has been answered somewhere on this board, but I really don't have the time to read through all of it sooo....

I really want to buy a sp01 Phantom but before I do, I have to figure out two things:
1.) My firearms dealer can't order one for me, so how would I go about getting ahold of one?
2.) I've been reading a lot about the pistol and it's features, but seeing as this will be my first hand gun and I'm not very firearm literate, when they say it has a decocker does that mean that as soon as you engage the safety the hammer automatically decocks? If this is the case, I'll go another route because I want to be able to carry this pistol cocked and locked.

Any help with either of these questions would be most appreciated.

[Spiny Norman]

While I don't own a Phantom, you can't go wrong buying any CZ from Angus at www.czcustom.com.

[AggieCZ]

Hey CZDan...

I'm going to be a new Phantom owner as well at the end of the week...and although I haven't even seen this one yet, my experience with other fire arms of this nature (DA/SA w/ decocker) is with a Sig P220...the decocker does just that...it decocks...there is NO saftey to engage...there will be a long Double Action (DA) first trigger pull, and the hammer will stay back for subsequent Single Action (SA) shots afterwards...to lower the hammer without firing, you would use the Decocker....

Hope this helps...

On your first question, I ordered mine online from gunbroker.com...found one listed through covecreekoutfitters  .... seem like nice guys...they (or any online order) will ship it to a FFL of your choice after you have paid, and it's the FFLs responsibility to make sure you have all the proper paperwork filled out and approved...then the gun is turned over to you....

Again, hope this helps..

[PTGT_Neon]

CZDan,

The Phantom was my first gun purchase.  Prior to that I had no firearms experience.  I don't know the answer to the first question but I can answer the second. 

With the hammer fully cocked (all the way back), you can press the decocker lever down and the hammer will come halfway up.  This means pulling on the trigger is a double action.  But its a short double action.  The double action trigger is more muscle and finger work than the single action.  The half-cocked DA isn't bad at all.

With the hammer all the way up, the trigger is a long double action.  Even more work for the trigger finger.

With the hammer fully cocked the trigger is a crisp single action.  After the first shot, every shot is a single action.  The slide comes back to reset the hammer.

The decocker functions sort of like a safety with the double action trigger being the safety.  A conventional safety allows the hammer to be locked in the  fully cocked position.  The thing is, you have to remember to disengage it before pulling the trigger. 

It all comes down to preference.  I think I would forget to move the safety in an intense situation.  The dococker also allows you to decock the weapon without worrying about the slide blowing your thumb off should you slip.

I liked the Phantom for several reasons.  It has all the accuracy and impact of a full size frame in the weight of a subcompact pistol.  The grip is thin which lets my fingers wrap around it easily.  The texture on the grip is just fantastic.

I would recommend a 15 lb hammer spring from CZcustom.  This helps make pulling the trigger a bit less work. 

I would also suggest getting a 16 lb recoil spring.  It'll make it easier to pull the slide back and still effectively dampen most all ammunition.  I don't shoot +P ammo because I don't want to damage the gun. 

[AggieCZ]

Just got my Phantom in today...won't be able to shoot it for a week or so....


CZDan...obviously you are correct...the decocker acts a little different on this than my sig...somthing to get used to I guess...

[mountaincoulee]

CZDan,

The Phantom was my first gun purchase.  Prior to that I had no firearms experience.  I don't know the answer to the first question but I can answer the second.

<Dan, I too am brand new to handguns but will pipe in here to correct possible confusion about the hammer's position -up or down- and the decock or safe status.>

With the hammer fully cocked (all the way back), you can press the decocker lever down and the hammer will come halfway up. <When the decocker is pressed, doesn't the hammer come halfway DOWN?> This means pulling on the trigger is a double action.  But its a short double action.  The double action trigger is more muscle and finger work than the single action.  The half-cocked DA isn't bad at all.

With the hammer all the way up, the trigger is a long double action.  Even more work for the trigger finger. <If the hammer is all the way up, the gun is fully cocked, so it only takes a short easy single action pull to touch off a round, just as you say below.>

With the hammer fully cocked <i.e. all the way up.> the trigger is a crisp single action.  After the first shot, every shot is a single action.  The slide comes back to reset the hammer.

The decocker functions sort of like a safety with the double action trigger being the safety.  A conventional safety allows the hammer to be locked in the  fully cocked position.  The thing is, you have to remember to disengage it before pulling the trigger. <develop grip muscle memory where your strong hand thumb always indexes on top of the safety lever as you draw a cocked gun, and you also develop muscle memory where your thumb pushes the safety down as part of each presentation - this way you don't forget as you never need to remember.>

It all comes down to preference.  I think I would forget to move the safety in an intense situation.  The dococker also allows you to decock the weapon without worrying about the slide blowing your thumb off should you slip. <there is a way, using a pinch hold between your thumb and middle finger, with your index finger placed behind the hammer, to safely and confidently lower a hammer. Even if your pinch hold fails, your index finger is there between the hammer and the firing pin.>

I liked the Phantom for several reasons.  It has all the accuracy and impact of a full size frame in the weight of a subcompact pistol.  The grip is thin which lets my fingers wrap around it easily.  The texture on the grip is just fantastic.

I would recommend a 15 lb hammer spring from CZcustom.  This helps make pulling the trigger a bit less work. 

I would also suggest getting a 16 lb recoil spring.  It'll make it easier to pull the slide back and still effectively dampen most all ammunition.  I don't shoot +P ammo because I don't want to damage the gun. 

<Thanks Dan. I know you know what you speak of, it's just that the bit about gun status and hammer position needed a bit of clarifying. Mountaincoulee>