tactical sport in .40

[sigsauerfan]

hi  guys  and gals. long time  i've not posted here,but  i'm still  a  CZ  die-hard fan ,i  own  (2)  shadow  race guns  wich   i use in ipsc production class  since  2  years ,  and  i  have  some  .22 453's too!

....sooo, after  loads  of  investigation    about  what  would  be  the  best  mid-cost    pistol  money can buy  for  the  ipsick  STANDARD  class , it  narrowed  to  2-3  pistols but  at  the  end  and  to  my  surprize, the  TS  won. 

 after  all,  i  wasn't  looking  exactly   after  fancy/costy   STI'S  or  ultra pimped  1911  paras-ords,  but  instead  to  the  best  efficient  and  tighest  fit/finish  and  most  of  all , ACCURATE   pistol  available  without  breaking  the  bank.

the  tactical  sport  has  emerged  as   the  best  out-of-the-box  in  this  mid-costs class  with   quite  tight barrel/slide/frame  assembly  wraped  in  an...lolol...old  design  ugghm,proven  design...

but  what  i  should  know  or what  tweaking  can/must   be   performed  on  this  gun     apart  of  swapping  the  sights  for  adjustable  rear-front set  and  the  mandatory  magwell .

1-does it need an aftec extractor  to avoid troubles at the match

2-is  the  LPA adjustable rear need  the 6.5 front absolutly,and what you think of 1.5 vs 1.0  FO  front  option???

3-even   if it's a SA, do i absolutly need some differents internals  to make it 100% reliable

4-what springs(recoil/trigger) should  i  use  when  using  softer  match  reloads

5- anyone  has  ever seen  a  TS  with  the  slide  in SS livery lol??

[sigsauerfan]

wooaw.lol, helpfull!!...or  is it  a  bad  cheap  jam-o-matic  .40  nobody  want  to  talk  about 

[Stuart]

my experience with the TS.
great gun
out of the box mine had a 2# trigger, very accurate. for USPSA major I ran a 12#-14# recoil spring.
don't need an aftec because the aftec is the same thing. the TS extractor uses a spring for its tension.

you can use other internals if you wish, I redid the trigger job  and got the trigger down to 1.5#.
I installed the flat aluminum grips, aluminum magwell and had the thumb safety welded up. also took off all the checkering and recut under the trigger guard and the beavertail.

[spencerhut]

I installed the flat aluminum grips, aluminum magwell and had the thumb safety welded up. also took off all the checkering and recut under the trigger guard and the beavertail.

^^^ I'd like to see this gun. ^^^

I have a CZ TS I shoot in my local club matches. I feel like I have an unfair advantage. We had an all steel stage with a 90 second par time yesterday and I tied for first with a guy shooting a full race gun, 27 round mags, optic, compensator.

[Stuart]

Unfortunately I do not have the gun anymore. but here are some photos before the thumbsafety was welded up.
I decided not to replace the hammer or the trigger as I was quite happy with the trigger job that was done on it.

[Walkure]

My USPSA Limited gun:



1.5# trigger on mine as well, work done by the fine folks CZ Custom. I've played with stock TS's as well, and they still have great triggers. My biggest gripe on the stock TS is the rear sight - the notch is far larger than what I would like. Of course, if you are a fan of big open rear notches, then the stock rear would be perfect.

Mine wears a Kensight adjustable rear and a 1.0mm fibre 6.5mm FO front. IMO, either get the smallest FO possible (the 1.0mm/0.04" in this case) or stick with plain black irons. I have been considering swapping my front out to a cut-down stock one - cut down in both height and in width, to allow me to get a thinner front sight on my TS.

Other than possibly playing with the front sight, the main thing I still want to do is to get the slide lightened. (The "bulk" doesn't bother me, so I'm not going to mess with the grip.)

[spencerhut]

My USPSA Limited gun:



1.5# trigger on mine as well, work done by the fine folks CZ Custom. I've played with stock TS's as well, and they still have great triggers. My biggest gripe on the stock TS is the rear sight - the notch is far larger than what I would like. Of course, if you are a fan of big open rear notches, then the stock rear would be perfect.

Mine wears a Kensight adjustable rear and a 1.0mm fibre 6.5mm FO front. IMO, either get the smallest FO possible (the 1.0mm/0.04" in this case) or stick with plain black irons. I have been considering swapping my front out to a cut-down stock one - cut down in both height and in width, to allow me to get a thinner front sight on my TS.

Other than possibly playing with the front sight, the main thing I still want to do is to get the slide lightened. (The "bulk" doesn't bother me, so I'm not going to mess with the grip.)

Nice looking gun. What made you change the hammer?

[Walkure]

Nice looking gun. What made you change the hammer?

I ordered it direct from CZ Custom, and had the internals swapped out then. Figured I might as well go for the absolute best trigger possible since I was having the work done.

Had I obtained the gun before the work, I very likely would still have the stock hammer, and maybe even the stock trigger.




And before anyone asks... all of the aluminum parts were anodized in light blue by a local shop. Except for the trigger; I didn't want to mess with it since everything was tuned (including pre-travel and overtravel stops).

[sigsauerfan]

well,  i  finaly  dropped  the  hammer  on  this  .40   tactical  sport  for  the  standard  ipsick division   and  couldn't  be  happier  with  my  pick.

i  was  considering  a  BULL M5  and  a  STI (by  far  more  expensive  guns)   but  i've  got  many  Q's  from  experienced  shooters,  and  on  top  of  that  i  already  own  2  shadows  and   2  CZ rimfires (453 varmint -452 american)  ,so, i  told  myself  that  maybe  i  shoul  keep  my  good  habits  and  grabbed  this  NIB  bad boy,  and  will  see  how  it  goes  and  if  tweaking  some  parts  is  absolutly  needed  in  the  future.

maybe  i'll grab  a  comp trigger/hammer,  i  already  added  a  stainless  recoil  rod  and  LPA  adjustable  and  that  thing  is  a  real  tack driver .

now,  if  CZ  could  bring   some  VERY THICK  alu  grip  in  their  line-up,  it  would  be  nice,  i  have  big  paws  and  it's  never  thick  enough  for  me.

[huskerlrrp]

Great weapon! I'd be interested in your mods and how successful it is for you. I'm a SIG fan but have been lured eastward due to the CZ SP-01 Angus Custom (My X-Five L1s are too pretty too beat up in USPSA). I'd suggest Hogue G10 grips instead of the wood. The aluminum agressive checker and grip tape models aren't bad either but I'm a G10 fan.

Good luck and nice piece.

It sounds like CZ Custom need to do a Tactical Sports Limited custo option in 40S&W soon...

[sigsauerfan]

Great weapon! I'd be interested in your mods and how successful it is for you. I'm a SIG fan but have been lured eastward due to the CZ SP-01 Angus Custom (My X-Five L1s are too pretty too beat up in USPSA). I'd suggest Hogue G10 grips instead of the wood. The aluminum agressive checker and grip tape models aren't bad either but I'm a G10 fan.

Good luck and nice piece.

It sounds like CZ Custom need to do a Tactical Sports Limited custo option in 40S&W soon...

i  cant  find  a  descent  set  of  grip  for  my  tactical, nor  for  my  shadow....all  thin/medium  alu  grips  made  by  CZ  are  either  thin,  or  extra thin  for  my  hands...i  absolutly  need  extra thick  grips,  wich  aren't  still  showed up  in  the  GHOST PRODUCTS/czCZ custom  line up  to  date....still  waiting

i  might  have  a  look  at  those  G10  hogue...many  knifes  i  own  sporting    G10  grip  and  i  must  say  i  realy  like  the   G10  grippy  feel ....  altough i'm  not  sure  it's  ipsick  legal.....one  time  i've  got  to  change  a   hogue  handall  grip   in  a  hurry  on  one  of  my  glocks  for  the  match...reason:  grip  must  be  maid  by  the  gun  manufacturer....

[Walkure]

Great weapon! I'd be interested in your mods and how successful it is for you. I'm a SIG fan but have been lured eastward due to the CZ SP-01 Angus Custom (My X-Five L1s are too pretty too beat up in USPSA). I'd suggest Hogue G10 grips instead of the wood. The aluminum agressive checker and grip tape models aren't bad either but I'm a G10 fan.

Good luck and nice piece.

It sounds like CZ Custom need to do a Tactical Sports Limited custo option in 40S&W soon...

i  cant  find  a  descent  set  of  grip  for  my  tactical, nor  for  my  shadow....all  thin/medium  alu  grips  made  by  CZ  are  either  thin,  or  extra thin  for  my  hands...i  absolutly  need  extra thick  grips,  wich  aren't  still  showed up  in  the  GHOST PRODUCTS/czCZ custom  line up  to  date....still  waiting

i  might  have  a  look  at  those  G10  hogue...many  knifes  i  own  sporting    G10  grip  and  i  must  say  i  realy  like  the   G10  grippy  feel ....  altough i'm  not  sure  it's  ipsick  legal.....one  time  i've  got  to  change  a   hogue  handall  grip   in  a  hurry  on  one  of  my  glocks  for  the  match...reason:  grip  must  be  maid  by  the  gun  manufacturer....

Make your own - I've followed Henning's lead and have ended up making custom grips, as he shows here: http://henningshootsguns.com/tech/tech.tanfoglio.bettergrip.html



As to grip legality in competition:

USPSA Limited and IPSC Standard have no restrictions on grips; as this thread is concerning the TS, those are the divisions of concern. (Additionally, neither IPSC Modified nor USPSA/IPSC Open have any grip-based restrictions.)

USPSA and IPSC Production divisions heavily restrict modifications, and both use the same restrictions on grips - the grips must be OEM or exact aftermarket reproductions. Grip tape may be added (in certain prescribed locations only) but grip sleeves are prohibited. Note that the TS is inelgible for Production, as it is SAO; thus, such remarks are really outside the scope of this thread.

[sigsauerfan]

Great weapon! I'd be interested in your mods and how successful it is for you. I'm a SIG fan but have been lured eastward due to the CZ SP-01 Angus Custom (My X-Five L1s are too pretty too beat up in USPSA). I'd suggest Hogue G10 grips instead of the wood. The aluminum agressive checker and grip tape models aren't bad either but I'm a G10 fan.

Good luck and nice piece.

It sounds like CZ Custom need to do a Tactical Sports Limited custo option in 40S&W soon...

i  cant  find  a  descent  set  of  grip  for  my  tactical, nor  for  my  shadow....all  thin/medium  alu  grips  made  by  CZ  are  either  thin,  or  extra thin  for  my  hands...i  absolutly  need  extra thick  grips,  wich  aren't  still  showed up  in  the  GHOST PRODUCTS/czCZ custom  line up  to  date....still  waiting

i  might  have  a  look  at  those  G10  hogue...many  knifes  i  own  sporting    G10  grip  and  i  must  say  i  realy  like  the   G10  grippy  feel ....  altough i'm  not  sure  it's  ipsick  legal.....one  time  i've  got  to  change  a   hogue  handall  grip   in  a  hurry  on  one  of  my  glocks  for  the  match...reason:  grip  must  be  maid  by  the  gun  manufacturer....

Make your own - I've followed Henning's lead and have ended up making custom grips, as he shows here: http://henningshootsguns.com/tech/tech.tanfoglio.bettergrip.html



As to grip legality in competition:

USPSA Limited and IPSC Standard have no restrictions on grips; as this thread is concerning the TS, those are the divisions of concern. (Additionally, neither IPSC Modified nor USPSA/IPSC Open have any grip-based restrictions.)

USPSA and IPSC Production divisions heavily restrict modifications, and both use the same restrictions on grips - the grips must be OEM or exact aftermarket reproductions. Grip tape may be added (in certain prescribed locations only) but grip sleeves are prohibited. Note that the TS is inelgible for Production, as it is SAO; thus, such remarks are really outside the scope of this thread.

well,  actualy,  i've  got  to  make  a  last  minute  swap  realy,  was  with  my  G17  shooting  production.....but  rules are  changing  fast...as  prime  example,  in  2008,  adjustable  aftermarket  sights  weren't  allowed  in  production.  now  the  2010   rule  book  stipulate  adjustable  sights  are  allowed.

in  any  ways  i  cant  see  as  why  aftermarket  grips  are  forbiden  even  for  the  production  class.  taking  production  racing  as  example (supersport)  many  mods  are  allowed  like  pipe,grips, clip-on,airbox,power commander  and  such......cant   see  how  the  performance  can  be  realy  enhanced  by  a  single  set  of  grip. but  however  when  competing , there  must  be  some  rules  everyones  have to   follow, the  grip  thing  is  one  of  them lol..but  still,  my  reflection  on  this  is: in  the  prod  class, if  a  set  of  adjustable  is  allowed,  how  can  it  be  a  set  of  grip  isn't??...that's  my  point,  because  if  it  was  otherwise,  i  would  put  handall  grips  on  all  my  pistols...