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Re: A couple Blogs from the Huff Post
« Reply #15 on: June 01, 2012, 11:34:36 PM »


An ideal answer would be a national handgun law with all the states using the same standards.  Am I dreaming?

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One already exists!  Try reading the 2nd Amendment slowly.....
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Re: A couple Blogs from the Huff Post
« Reply #16 on: June 01, 2012, 11:35:40 PM »
No, but a national law already exists, the one we used for 150+ years until after the Civil War when licensing and other racist gun laws were started to keep freed slaves from owning firearms. That would be the 2A...but getting BACK to that standard will take action, action that is occurring at the state and national levels, refer to Heller and McDonald, and see the loosening chains around many of the states. You'r own Florida led the charge in 1985, IIRC, with the first Shall-Issue CCW permit I just got my AZ CCW permit...took about 5 minutes to do the application and send in the money order, and then about 7 weeks for it to come back. Used to be about 5 days, but they cut the staff by half and permit applications are going up drastically. I just had to show previous training - 10 years in the law enforcement field didn't hurt, but my antique permit that expired in 1998 did the trick.
There is only one state that doesn't have a permitting system in place, and that's Vermont, which has has lawful permitless CCW for over 200 years.
I think you are on the right track but wrong answer. Yes, we should utilize the Full Faith and Credit provision to recognize the right to carry a concealed firearm in all 50 states, and just like a drivers license, the fed doesn't get to state the rules. See, the feds don't make the driving rules, each state does, which is why it's legal to make a right on red some places, others it will get you a ticket. Montana for a while didn't have a highway speed limit, while some places still say 55MPH shall be the law.
While we get SCOTUS to hammer out what 2A means, (for those in government who can't read all 27 words), I agree, we should use state reciprocity to lead the way, which means Vermont's DL would be their CCW permit.
A new federal law gives the fed.gov another foot to put in the door to stamping out CCW where they find it, and many of them up there dream of that. I would not give them that extra opportunity.

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Re: A couple Blogs from the Huff Post
« Reply #17 on: June 01, 2012, 11:37:18 PM »


An ideal answer would be a national handgun law with all the states using the same standards.  Am I dreaming?

Dear Rysdad,
One already exists!  Try reading the 2nd Amendment slowly.....
I can buy into that!

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Re: A couple Blogs from the Huff Post
« Reply #18 on: June 01, 2012, 11:40:58 PM »
No, but a national law already exists, the one we used for 150+ years until after the Civil War when licensing and other racist gun laws were started to keep freed slaves from owning firearms. That would be the 2A...but getting BACK to that standard will take action, action that is occurring at the state and national levels, refer to Heller and McDonald, and see the loosening chains around many of the states. You'r own Florida led the charge in 1985, IIRC, with the first Shall-Issue CCW permit I just got my AZ CCW permit...took about 5 minutes to do the application and send in the money order, and then about 7 weeks for it to come back. Used to be about 5 days, but they cut the staff by half and permit applications are going up drastically. I just had to show previous training - 10 years in the law enforcement field didn't hurt, but my antique permit that expired in 1998 did the trick.
There is only one state that doesn't have a permitting system in place, and that's Vermont, which has has lawful permitless CCW for over 200 years.
I think you are on the right track but wrong answer. Yes, we should utilize the Full Faith and Credit provision to recognize the right to carry a concealed firearm in all 50 states, and just like a drivers license, the fed doesn't get to state the rules. See, the feds don't make the driving rules, each state does, which is why it's legal to make a right on red some places, others it will get you a ticket. Montana for a while didn't have a highway speed limit, while some places still say 55MPH shall be the law.
While we get SCOTUS to hammer out what 2A means, (for those in government who can't read all 27 words), I agree, we should use state reciprocity to lead the way, which means Vermont's DL would be their CCW permit.
A new federal law gives the fed.gov another foot to put in the door to stamping out CCW where they find it, and many of them up there dream of that. I would not give them that extra opportunity.

Again, I can buy that.  The only thing you said that was incorrect was when you said my own Florida.  Unfortunately I live in the communist state of New Jersey.  That is why I see a national CC law as an advantage to me.  I think or maybe hope that a national law for CC would help me in my god awful state. 

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Re: A couple Blogs from the Huff Post
« Reply #19 on: June 01, 2012, 11:47:18 PM »
Nobody hates anyone here, and I don't own my wife to tell her who or what not to like. :)
Sorry, I thought you were in Florida for the permit - no wonder it's a pain for you. Next time in AZ, stop in and do the quick training class, and mail your app in. DPS will mail it to your NJ address, no problem.
I do have to admit,NJ takes it in the shorts, rights wise. Judicious application of Alan Gura and SAF will help, and I believe they have at least one if not two lawsuits going on in NJ right now, not 100% on that.

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Re: A couple Blogs from the Huff Post
« Reply #20 on: June 01, 2012, 11:53:08 PM »
Nobody hates anyone here, and I don't own my wife to tell her who or what not to like. :)
Sorry, I thought you were in Florida for the permit - no wonder it's a pain for you. Next time in AZ, stop in and do the quick training class, and mail your app in. DPS will mail it to your NJ address, no problem.
I do have to admit,NJ takes it in the shorts, rights wise. Judicious application of Alan Gura and SAF will help, and I believe they have at least one if not two lawsuits going on in NJ right now, not 100% on that.
Yeah, Florida is the best CC for me to get considering where I live.  I spent an hour earlier drafting a letter to my governor attempting to get him on my side.  I am a member of the SAF as well as the NRA.  I do feel that someday within a few years we will have our day. 

On a good note..  I will be picking up my first CZ on Monday after a long and miserable wait for my Permit to Purchase from my local PD.  My first will be a new CZ75B in 9MM with a Nickel Finish.  I can't wait.

thanks for the debate guys, even though we are all on the same team.

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Re: A couple Blogs from the Huff Post
« Reply #21 on: June 02, 2012, 12:56:12 AM »
I feel that if the issuing State (in good faith) does all the right paperwork and all the proper background check(s) there shouldn?t be any reason my Utah CCP can?t be accepted in all 50 States or US Territory
My Class A driver?s License is considered a ?Federal License? that is issued by the State of Utah
It allows me to drive just about anything I want (except Motorcycles) in all 50 States
Like any non Class A/B Driver?s Licenses, each issuing State can still control who THEY issue to, but shouldn?t be allowed to deny me my Second Amendment Right
If I continue to pass the Utah Background Check and have my CCP reissued each time, I should be able to carry Cancelled in any State or Territory at will
I believe it?s my Right under the Second Amendment
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Re: A couple Blogs from the Huff Post
« Reply #22 on: June 02, 2012, 07:19:55 AM »
I have heard/seen on a few threads where members have stated that there are "states that hands them out like candy", referring to CC permits.  Which states are these?

From what I have inferred, some states have different requirements for a CC permit.  Most require a permit; some don't?  Some require an FBI fingerprint check; some don't.  Some require passing a handgun class; some don't.  Some require residency; most don't.
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Re: A couple Blogs from the Huff Post
« Reply #23 on: June 02, 2012, 07:22:56 AM »

An ideal answer would be a national handgun law with all the states using the same standards.  Am I dreaming?

The last thing we need is another federal law or to empower another federal agency.  Let the states take care of CC permitting.
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Re: A couple Blogs from the Huff Post
« Reply #24 on: June 02, 2012, 04:33:54 PM »
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Re: A couple Blogs from the Huff Post
« Reply #25 on: June 06, 2012, 12:37:20 AM »
The last thing we need is another federal law or to empower another federal agency.  Let the states take care of CC permitting.
Yes, I agree
The last thing we need is another Bureaucracy?.BUT
I still feel it isn?t right for any given State to deny my right to legally carry within that State, if I?ve passed all the requirements to do so in my State?.No matter how my State may handle or set those requirements
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