Aurora, Colorado shooter picked theater because guns were not allowed

[Skookum]

Hmmm... maybe getting some keyholing from an insufficient twist rate? But a higher TR would probably be more painful.

Ouch!  Hurts just thinking about a twisted ureter.  All that would do is turn the stone into a drill bit.  Fortunately, my ureters and urethra are smoothbores.

The 8mm stone was the first to emerge.  I took it into the doc to get it analyzed -- mostly calcium oxalate, the most common kind.  I was told it was the largest stone she'd ever seen pass without medical intervention.  That's fine by me, as reading about the medical interventions options is enough to induce high anxiety.

What my ureters need is a good swabbing with lube.  I've read that drinking olive oil can help in that department (sounds like wishful thinking to me).  I've not tried it.  I doubt I could drink olive oil on a good day.  When a stone is working its way down a ureter, it usually is accompanied by nausea.  It is tough to get and keep water down to provide the flow to wash the stone down.  There's no way that I could choke down olive oil.

[armoredman]

The last several posts are enough to make me misfire...

Quick legal caveat about the original subject - if you carry in a place that is posted where the signs have force of law, and you subsequently have to utilize your sidearm in self defense, you will be fighting a VERY uphill battle in court. Yes, you have a much greater chance of being alive to fight this battle, but being that you could be shown to be knowingly and willingly violating the law to begin with, takes a righteous shoot and throws it into criminal territory.
If you carry in a place that is posted where signs do NOT have the force of law, and are engaged in a defensive gun use, the prosecutor will try to hang you as a" loose cannon willfully disregarding the expressed will of the property owner so you can have you own showdown." Not quite as hard to fight as the first, but if you are in a state/area where CCW is not very common, the jury may be weighted against you.
Post offices and other federal buildings are verboten. I went to a Social Security office in a private building - inside the door to that suite was armed security and a metal detector with big NO GUNS signs everywhere. Out in the hallway was AOK.
Also, Contract Post Offices are NOT federal property, like standard PO are. It's technically illegal to have your sidearm in you CAR on PO land. This law worked so well "going postal" became a byword in the 80s...

[Skookum]

Out of curiosity, how does one tell if a PO is a contract operation or not?

[bozwell]

The last several posts are enough to make me misfire...

Quick legal caveat about the original subject - if you carry in a place that is posted where the signs have force of law, and you subsequently have to utilize your sidearm in self defense, you will be fighting a VERY uphill battle in court. Yes, you have a much greater chance of being alive to fight this battle, but being that you could be shown to be knowingly and willingly violating the law to begin with, takes a righteous shoot and throws it into criminal territory.
If you carry in a place that is posted where signs do NOT have the force of law, and are engaged in a defensive gun use, the prosecutor will try to hang you as a" loose cannon willfully disregarding the expressed will of the property owner so you can have you own showdown." Not quite as hard to fight as the first, but if you are in a state/area where CCW is not very common, the jury may be weighted against you.
Post offices and other federal buildings are verboten. I went to a Social Security office in a private building - inside the door to that suite was armed security and a metal detector with big NO GUNS signs everywhere. Out in the hallway was AOK.
Also, Contract Post Offices are NOT federal property, like standard PO are. It's technically illegal to have your sidearm in you CAR on PO land. This law worked so well "going postal" became a byword in the 80s...

I'm not saying it's bad advice at all AMan, but I'd be a bit careful characterizing what a prosecutor will and won't do.  There's absolutely no doubt in my mind that if a CCW holder stopped the Aurora shooter under facts clearly establishing self defense, but violated the movie theater's policy in doing so, no Colorado prosecutor would not prosecute that individual on murder charges as a "loose cannon".  Carrying in a prohibited location is, in jurisdictions I'm aware of, a misdemeanor offense.  Frankly, I don't buy that, in a black and white case of self defense (which almost never exists, but let's assume), a prosecutor is going to try and argue for murder charges because a misdemeanor was committed during the defense of self/others.  People love to suggest that lawyers will hang you out to dry if you do this or that (such as the people who claim that modifying a carry gun means the prosecutor will argue all sorts of horrible things about you), but I think that perception is oftentimes not consistent with reality.

Where you might run into a problem is when there are shades of gray.  Let's say the CCW holder stopped the shooter, but ended up hitting 8 civilians in the process (sort of like the NYPD did recently).  Under those circumstances, you might see a prosecutor argue that he shouldn't have had a firearm with him, if they chose to prosecute the individual for the injuries to the other civilians, but even then it's a relatively weak argument.

I suppose put another way, a prosecutor in theory can try and argue just about anything.  But common sense would dictate that only certain arguments would be persuasive. 

[Stogies]

It stands to reason that he did that, after all he gave up rather quickly as soon as he was confronted by somebody pointing a gun back at him! If anything the whole incident shows the futility and absurdness of gun free zones. The police was already THERE and still could not prevent the shooting!