DA/SA Question

[Storz]

My only experience with a DA/SA gun is my current P07 which has a decocker. On guns like the Tristar series that do not have a decocker, how do you get the gun into DA mode? It seems that functionally it would be SA only, as you would carry it cocked and locked, however I prefer to carry a gun saftey off, in double action. Is this possible with a Tristar?

Do they have firing pin blocks?

Thanks!

[Skookum]

One decocks manually.  I put my thumb over the hammer with my thumbnail against the rear of the slide, pull the trigger to drop the hammer on my thumb, release the trigger (the firing pin block now prevents the ignition of the chambered round), and ease the hammer down to the half cocked position.  You can then carry Condition 2.

I assume you can practice doing this with your unchambered P-07.

[Storz]

One decocks manually.  I put my thumb over the hammer with my thumbnail against the rear of the slide, pull the trigger to drop the hammer on my thumb, release the trigger (the firing pin block now prevents the ignition of the chambered round), and ease the hammer down to the half cocked position.  You can then carry Condition 2.

I assume you can practice doing this with your unchambered P-07.

Excellent thanks for the info, going to try this later with an unloaded P07

[briang2ad]

Take care.  It is also fairly easy, and easier with the Canik Hammer.

[okanimalcontrol]

Revive from the grave... I'd like to carry hammer down safety off. The owners manual says that the 'half cock' isn't a safety feature.

My question is this 'is there any fear of ND carrying with the hammer down safety off, if the gun was dropped or jostled?'
And
Why doesn't sar consider the half cock a safety feature?

Thanks!  for now I'm carrying cocked with the safety on.

[Birds Away]

For a gun with a firing pin block to be discharged the trigger must be fully depressed.

[jwc007]

I have regularly carried my Handguns chamber full, decocked, with the safety off.

Being able to manually decock a handgun is an essential skill.  More so with Cz75 pattern handguns. 

I will load and decock my defensive handguns on my backyard patio with the muzzle pointed at soft dirt.  I restrain and lower the hammer with my weak hand as I pull the trigger and let up on the trigger just before the hammer reaches the down point, that way the Automatic Firing Pin Lock locks the Firing Pin.  Practice with an EMPTY Pistol.

[warbird1]

You decock a SA/DA without a decocker the same way you decock a revolver. I've been doing it for over forty years. We tend to make things harder than they need to be. Just a little practice.

[okanimalcontrol]

I have no problem decocking the pistol just wondered about the hammer resting on the firing pin and the safety disengaged. But you all have answered that question.

[Skookum]

Why doesn't sar consider the half cock a safety feature?

Because the hammer in the half cock position doesn't deactivate the trigger.  In a lever-action rifle with a half-cock safety, pulling the trigger when the hammer is half cocked results in nothing happening.  On a CZ 75, pulling the trigger when the hammer is half cocked result in the pistol firing.


It's a safety feature in that dropping the hammer to half cock is easier and safer than dropping it all the way.  Combat games often require one to fully drop the hammer on a loaded chamber, which at times results in an ND -- presumably due to lack of practice or the pressure of competition.  My CZ 82/83s are much easier, and safer, to fully decock as they don't have a half cock position and they have a rebounding hammer safety.