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Offline whoisvince

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Trigger sting and single action decocker problem solutions?
« on: October 31, 2011, 01:08:45 AM »
I purchased 2 CZ 82s a few months ago, and love the guns.  I've refinished one http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=42128.0 and left the other one stock.  I was firing the unrefinished pistol when the trigger guard broke, which appears to be a common problem.

The refinished CZ 82 developed the single action "decocker" problem, where pulling the trigger in single action causes the trigger to fall into a double action type movement, allowing the trigger to be dropped slowly if the trigger is released slowly.  This was not present before I sent the gun in for refinishing, but the problem presented itself after I received it.

I swapped lockwork parts here and there between the two pistols, and I learned a few things:

1. The trigger sting mystery:  It appears the trigger sting mystery is related to the hammer lever (parts diagram here http://www.okiegunsmithshop.com/CZ_83.jpg).  My unrefinished pistol was a "stinger", but my refinished pistol was not.  When I placed the "stinger" hammer lever into the non-stinger pistol, it developed a nasty case of trigger sting.  When I placed the non-stinger hammer lever back in the gun, the trigger sting was gone!  A new hammer lever is only $18 from the CZ store, and it might be a worthwhile investment for those of you with the trigger sting problem!

2.  The "decocker" mystery:  I've seen multiple posts about this issue, and I experienced it after receiving my refinished gun as well.  I noticed this happened more when I shot the gun left handed, and it turns out that if I applied pressure to shift the trigger to the left while I pulled it back in single action, I could reliably cause the "decocking" behavior.  After looking at how the trigger bar, sear, hammer lever, and hammer interact, some things are clear.  The sear has nothing to do with the double action pull of the trigger and hammer.  Once you pull the trigger, the sear disengages (rises) and has nothing to do with the double action pull.  In fact, I took out the sear and was still able to make the hammer fall with a double action pull.  Therefore, the double action pull depends on the interaction of the trigger bar, hammer lever, and hammer.  I tried swapping out the hammer lever (hence the solution to the trigger sting mystery above), but swapping out the trigger bar fixed the undesirable "decocker" action.  This makes sense, as applying torque to the trigger caused the action.  So the cause of the "decocking" problem appears to be a faulty trigger bar/hammer lever interaction.  The sear releases the hammer, which caused the hammer lever to catch on the trigger bar and drop the gun into double action.  I might think the disconnector is faulty here too, but I fixed the problem without doing any modification to the disconnector.

In any case, I think the safe play for either of these problems would be to replace both the trigger bar and the hammer lever.  I wish I could tell you more about the wear and tear on these parts, or the engagement surfaces, but I'm definitely not a gunsmith.

Good luck!

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Re: Trigger sting and single action decocker problem solutions?
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2011, 09:08:40 AM »
First I've ever heard of the trigger guard breaking.
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Re: Trigger sting and single action decocker problem solutions?
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2011, 09:30:22 AM »
First I've ever heard of the trigger guard breaking.

Maybe he meant the trigger guard latch pin?  I don't see how a trigger guard could break.

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Re: Trigger sting and single action decocker problem solutions?
« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2011, 04:54:12 PM »
Bummer. I think the new CZ83 trigger guards are like $35.

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Re: Trigger sting and single action decocker problem solutions?
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2011, 03:07:37 PM »
I just had the same decocking issue with my 82 for the 1st time this weekend. I knew I'd find a cause and solution on here.
Now I have to try my hand at home gunsmithing and switch out the trigger bar. or should I just bite the bullet (pun intended) and replace the sear and hammer at the same time?
 
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Re: Trigger sting and single action decocker problem solutions?
« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2011, 04:13:32 PM »
If you're going into it that far, you may as well replace the sear too.
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Re: Trigger sting and single action decocker problem solutions?
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2011, 03:25:02 PM »
Thanks for taking the time to explaine the problems you are having.  Have or has anyone ever replaced the magazine parts......44, 45, and 46 as numbered on the schematics.  I wonder if that would be difficult and if these parts are available.
« Last Edit: December 03, 2011, 03:30:01 PM by Opaul »

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Re: Trigger sting and single action decocker problem solutions?
« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2011, 10:29:05 PM »
I just had the same decocking issue with my 82 for the 1st time this weekend. I knew I'd find a cause and solution on here.
Now I have to try my hand at home gunsmithing and switch out the trigger bar. or should I just bite the bullet (pun intended) and replace the sear and hammer at the same time?

You can replace the hammer and sear, but it won't solve the "decocking" problem. The trigger bar and hammer lever engagement are to blame there, and the trigger bar replacement will fix it.

If you like the single action trigger pull, then I wouldn't worry about the sear and hammer. You can polish the engagement surfaces (CAREFULLY!) to smooth the pull, which is what I did before I got it back together.

The sear spring gives people fits to replace. I think it's ok if you have a good quality set of punches, but you can replace the trigger bar without messing with the sear at all.
« Last Edit: December 05, 2011, 10:33:43 PM by whoisvince »

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Re: Trigger sting and single action decocker problem solutions?
« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2014, 06:27:26 PM »
Sorry to resurrect an ancient thread, but my CZ 82 trigger guard just broke in the exact same spot as whoisvince. Fortunately, CZ had the 83 trigger guards in stock as of today...one is on its way.
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