Trying to Decide 75B or P-09..CGW Questions...

[Niner]

So I have exhausted myself looking into the P-09, and I am sure it would be an excellent pistol.
But I can't get over the looks/weight/feel of the 75B. I just love a heavier gun I guess.

My question is more so on the mods that I would be doing to it once I get one.
The DA reach is impossible for my hands, which isn't a big deal since I used to carry a 1911, and
I am used to and comfortable with Condition One Carry.

That being said, I believe I would want to put the CGW Single Action Trigger, and the SRS-1 Kit which includes the upgraded firing pin, lighter hammer springs, shorter SA reset, etc.

Does anyone run a setup like this? Can I see a pic of a 75B with the CGW SA Trigger in it?

Also, anyone know if the mentioned upgrades work in the 75B Omega? I actually like the 75B better without the upswept beavertail, but just wondering...

Thanks for any help guys, and like I said, I'd love to see pics of 75B's with these kits in them, all I ever see is done up SP-01's or other raceguns.

[Makoman]

You should call David at CGW directly.  I was on the fence about buying a standard 75B or Omega.  I had several questions for him, and he was patient, knowledgeable, and thorough in his answers.  I ended up going with the standard version for commonality of parts with my 75 compact.  Anyways, he definitely earned my business for life and I've ordered spring kits from him among other things for both my pistols.  He's a great guy.  You can also send him an email, usually replies pretty quick.  You can also PM him, I believe he goes by "schmecky" here on the forum. 

[Niner]

Ya that's him. I just know I messaged him a lot about p09's and figured I would give him a break lol

[1SOW]

If you add what your specific primary use will be for your pistol,   members with experience can suggest the models/ mods that will work well for 'your' use.  David will want the same info after he gets a 'breather'. 

[Joe L]

I haven't successfully converted a P-09 to SAO.  I tried to do it temporarily just by adding a stop on the trigger to keep it from going forward enough to engage the disconnector but was only temporarily successful because I never really got the trigger stop installed correctly  Also, the safety is a little further forward than in the 75B so I would have to operate it with weak hand.  Once some parts are available for the safety and trigger, I will certainly convert both of mine to SAO.  My 75B is SAO and I love it that way.  The 75B trigger with CGW parts is the best of any I have, including the P-09, but the P-09 with the CGW parts is a close second and is very good.

I've decided to try a 97B for 2015, just to get something closer to the feel of my 75B for bullseye matches.  Plus I want some bigger holes like the cool kids make. 

Joe   

[Niner]

I haven't successfully converted a P-09 to SAO.  I tried to do it temporarily just by adding a stop on the trigger to keep it from going forward enough to engage the disconnector but was only temporarily successful because I never really got the trigger stop installed correctly  Also, the safety is a little further forward than in the 75B so I would have to operate it with weak hand.  Once some parts are available for the safety and trigger, I will certainly convert both of mine to SAO.  My 75B is SAO and I love it that way.  The 75B trigger with CGW parts is the best of any I have, including the P-09, but the P-09 with the CGW parts is a close second and is very good.


Joe   

Joe, I appreciate hearing from you on this, especially knowing how much you love the P-09, as seen in your videos...
I actually don't care to completely convert it to SAO. I just want the SA trigger instead of the stock curved trigger, as I imagine this may decrease some of the reach in itself. I can always just carry in condition 1, but keep the DA ability in the gun in case I need a second pull for a bad primer or something right?

[Joe L]

I haven't tried the straight or SAO curved trigger in a gun that wasn't set up for SAO.  I know I got a trigger with much less curvature than the stock one and used it in mine until I converted to SAO.  You can do pretty much anything you need to do with a 75B with various parts from CGW and CZCustom. 

Yes, if you aren't dead set on SAO, then the P-09 with the decocker is excellent for DA/SA.  That is the way I have both of mine set up.  I shot SIG P-226 DA/SA guns for several years in IDPA so I am perfectly comfortable with a DA first shot, from a draw.  If you aren't set on SAO, then the choice between a 75 and a P-09 is tough.  I personally think the P series guns are tighter and more accurate than the average 75, but I don't have a large sample to make any meaningful conclusion.  I CAN say that the four P series guns I have shot have been excellent, and that my two P-09's are as good as anything available mechanically.  I would pick the model that feels "right" to you.  I obviously like the P-09, but the grips were too narrow and blockish the way it comes from the factory and I had to use grip tape and/or JB-Weld to reshape the grip...to get it closer to the feel of a 75. 

What I am hoping with the 97"E" is to have the perfect grip shape and trigger reach (for me) of the 75, with the fit and accuracy of the P-09.  David has told me that that is not a problem for him to achieve.  Video soon. 

All said, I wouldn't agonize too much over your choice.  Pick the one that feels best, fix the trigger and sights so you can shoot it, and ... shoot it.  My bullseye season ended a few weeks ago, and I pulled out my SIG's and Ruger 22/45 and even a Kahr and a GP100 revolver and shot them all.  They all shoot great, and I can shoot every single one of them better than I could a year ago, because my trigger finger and eyes and mind work together better now.  I could shoot the SIG and the Ruger in bullseye instead of the P-09 and the Kadet if I had to and do pretty close to how I'm doing now.  I just like the P-09 and the Kadet a little better.  They both surprise me and they are definitely unique on the firing line.  They surprise my competitors plenty, believe me, and that is half the fun of showing up with the unusual guns instead of 1911's.  Most have never seen a CZ-97.  2015 will be fun. 

Heck, I've never seen or shot a 97!  David says they are shooters, and I wanted a non-1911 .45, so I placed my order.  Not much agony here. 

Joe

[GBCZ]

Just the basic P-07 is great in my book.  The omega trigger system is great.

[sirosisofliver]

Just the basic P-07 is great in my book.  The omega trigger system is great.

How is the recoil of the PO7 vs a steel 75?  Does the SP 01 really cut the muzzle rise that much?

[Riptide439]

How is the recoil of the PO7 vs a steel 75? 

Both are different in my book. I like both for different reasons. I would definitely carry the P07 if I carried daily but the 75B would be the range gun! FYI - The SP01 is quicker to recover due to added weight up front.

[Tok36]

How is the recoil of the PO7 vs a steel 75?  Does the SP 01 really cut the muzzle rise that much?

Indeed, as much as i would like it not to be so the SP-01 really dose, noticeably cut the muzzle rise. I assume that with experience, the rite grip and technique the muzzle rise on a 75B can be minimized but the SP-01 still has a base advantage due to the weight up front. I prefer the 75B looks and design but owing and shooting an SP-01 as well has made it clear to me that shooting an SP-01 fast is easier, at lease for a novice like my self.

I only have limited experience with the P-07, having shot a friends a few times. To me it feels allot like other poly frame pistols and jumps more than my 75's. The P-07 is allot lighter, i guess this is to be expected. I believe that with proper technique allot can be accomplished with the P-07/09 as well. I have seen coverage of a few guys shooting P-09's in competition and they sure could control their P-09's to impressive levels.