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Offline DirtsCZ

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« on: November 02, 2016, 10:21:55 AM »
I am in the market for my first AR - what are everyone's thought on this one - is the $275 (or so) up charge compared to an M&P Sport worth it?

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« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2016, 12:02:03 PM »
Colt 6920

How much is the Saint? Also they are new to market and of course right before election. Don't think that was by accident.

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Re: Springfield Saint
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2016, 03:36:27 PM »
Why do you not like the midlength gas system? It makes for the softest shooting 14.5-16 inch guns?

OP how much money do you have to spend? I have to admit that I am an AR snob of sorts but can help you make a decision that you won't regret.

Also do you plan on shooting this rifle or just having it? Yes I know that sounds retarded but the majority of AR's have seen less then a couple hundred rounds.



That's the last AR I put together.


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Re: Springfield Saint
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2016, 03:55:14 PM »
Kenneth - I have zero experience with the AR platform - that's why I was originally looking at the Ruger AR 556 or M&P Sport 2 - I figured get my feet wet and learn what I like and dislike.  I would say I would like to spend somewhere close to where those two are so in the $600 - $700 range but I am flexible.  Yes I plan on shooting it - just for fun - I don't plan on trying to hit targets at 500 yards nor do I intend to hunt with it. 

Any help would be much appreciated -

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Re: Springfield Saint
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2016, 07:48:34 PM »
Colt Expanse can be found in the $700 neighborhood give or take a little.

Or, build your own with good quality components for at or under $600.  Even less if you buy budget parts.

I wouldn't jump on the springfield. 

1.  I'm not a fan of midlength gas systems.

2.  I hate the billboard on the right side of the gun on the magwell AND that weird looking thing around the fire marking at the selector.

3.  They have waited until the AR market is absolutely saturated and prices are at their all time low before deciding to put an AR together.  That's a terrible business model to wrap my mind around.
^This. I don't see anything appealing about the "Saint" at its price point. I think it makes much more sense to assemble the parts you want the first time around. Even if you won't shoot it much, at least assemble your own lower with a good trigger and buy an barreled upper. A good trigger will make you want to get out and shoot it. I wasn't an AR guy, but once I put one together and took it out to the range, my opinion changed. They are fun to shoot! If you're going to buy one off the shelf just to have, you can't go wrong with Colt. Someone will always be willing to buy it from you.

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Re: Springfield Saint
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2016, 10:09:37 PM »
For a first time user I think you have an excellent plan. Buying a factory built rifle comes with benefits like a warranty and factory support. If the platform is not for your resale is better then a Franken build. I always stay away from a Gen One offering and give the builder a chance to work out any issues.

Recently 2 coworkers bought the Ruger and it seems like a great rifle. Another bought a Colt Expanse. Don't think anyone has take them out.

Once you have One in the safe you can start planning your second!
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Re: Springfield Saint
« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2016, 10:11:09 PM »
If the street price is 600-750 then it would be a good buy. The Colt 6920-6620 are 900 so if it's in that range go with the colt.


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Re: Springfield Saint
« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2016, 11:36:35 AM »
local shop had one on the shelf.

It was listed at $850.

I was impressed for the money; I don't know what kind of trigger it had, but it was far from USGI.  The rifles are being made by BCM for Springfield - so to get a very good quality, properly built AR with a good trigger, and very decent furniture for that price is worth it.

If I was just coming into the AR market, I would pick one up over a Colt 6920.
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Re: Springfield Saint
« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2016, 12:54:29 PM »
Where are you getting the notion they are made by BCM?

I see they are using BCM furniture but I don't know about them making them.


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Re: Springfield Saint
« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2016, 02:09:49 PM »
From what I've read the hand guards get melty. The BCM furniture is nice but I haven't seen the specs on the barrel or BCG. I don't really see the advantage over a Colt 6920 or similar rifle where one knows what they're getting.

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Re: Springfield Saint
« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2016, 09:37:28 PM »
The melt with excessive fire as in multiple full auto fire. I don't think a normal person will have any issues.


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Re: Springfield Saint
« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2016, 08:50:27 AM »
In my experience, with all things, not just guns, buying something new on the market is a mistake.  Seems like it takes most companies awhile to get their stuff together in the way of quality and consistency.

I only have a couple factory built rifles.  An Olympic Arms AR15 (XM177 clone) and a S&W M&P 15 in 5.45X39 (that little Russian caliber).  Both are accurate and reliable. 

The rest of them are built from kits or from a collection of parts bought from multiple vendors. 

Yes, my first was the Olympic Arms carbine.  Once I found out how accurate and reliable it was vs. the M16A1's I used in the US Army I had to build one.  That one had some teething pains I had to work through.  After those were fixed the accuracy and reliability was so far above the GI guns I used it led to another, and another, and another, etc., etc.

If you buy one and have issues you can call the maker and send it back (hopefully they'll fix it).  If you build it yourself you pretty much have to figure out the problems and fix it.  Not easy at first, but you get better with experience.  And there's a great asset on the web for AR15.  It's called AR15.com, or arfcom.  Lot's of silliness there on some of the sub forums but the mods do a pretty good job of insuring the technical sub forums stay technical in nature/conversation/advice.

The cool thing about AR15's besides the obvious - all the different parts/pieces you can buy and install on your rifle.

Good luck with your first.  Oh, it can be a disease.  It's called BRD (Black Rifle Disease).  Similar to CZD (CZ Disease).  One, leads to two, two leads to three, three leads to four, etc., etc., etc.
I just keep wasting time and money on other brands trying to find/make one shoot like my P07 and P09.  What is wrong with me?

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Re: Springfield Saint
« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2016, 08:59:40 AM »
My dealer told me about the BCM thing; he's rarely been wrong....but I should have posted that was not verified in my initial post.

I looked around, and couldn't verify - so don't take for gospel.
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Re: Springfield Saint
« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2016, 08:59:03 AM »
If you're in the market for a good AR, the S&W MP Sport 2 is a tac driver. For $600 it's a steal.


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