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Offline M1A4ME

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Saw damaged P09 (kaboom, they call it) on another forum
« on: March 03, 2015, 06:00:02 PM »
Anyone hear about this?  Anyone got any details?  The other forum doesn't mention any details, just shows some pictures.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_5_37/157885_CZ_P09__40_KB_.html
I just keep wasting time and money on other brands trying to find/make one shoot like my P07 and P09.  What is wrong with me?

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Re: Saw damaged P09 (kaboom, they call it) on another forum
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2015, 06:01:33 PM »
Thanks for posting

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Re: Saw damaged P09 (kaboom, they call it) on another forum
« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2015, 07:01:21 PM »
Can happen to any firearm. Let alone a plastic one. Said he was using federal aluminum case ammo. Would never run that thru anything I own.
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Re: Saw damaged P09 (kaboom, they call it) on another forum
« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2015, 07:44:50 PM »
I've never shot any of the aluminum cased ammo, Federal or Speer.

I'm a hard core reloader.  I did buy 2 or 3 boxes of .40 S&W when I bought my first .40 S&W handgun but the reloading gear came soon after.

Huh, usually people holler reloads but it's not always reloads that blow a gun up.
I just keep wasting time and money on other brands trying to find/make one shoot like my P07 and P09.  What is wrong with me?

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Re: Saw damaged P09 (kaboom, they call it) on another forum
« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2015, 08:39:50 PM »
Yeah for sure. Im more worried about a squib round that the case blowing out. Have had a few with remanufactured and factory ammo.
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Re: Saw damaged P09 (kaboom, they call it) on another forum
« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2015, 08:50:07 PM »
I have shot Federal Champion Aluminum in my P-07, a few hundred rounds so far and plan to shoot about 1,000 more rounds of Federal Aluminum in it.

I am skeptical that it was the ammunition that caused the damage.

If Geco and ZQI won't blow up a P-07, what chance does Federal Aluminum have of doing it?

I noticed there was no story to go with the pictures...so what can anyone make of that?
« Last Edit: March 03, 2015, 08:54:41 PM by FakeCZName »

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Re: Saw damaged P09 (kaboom, they call it) on another forum
« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2015, 09:01:51 PM »
I just checked two CZ-Facebook sites...these pictures are not posted on either one of the CZ-Facebook sites as the poster claimed they were; so it looks like a hoax.

Now that I think of it...that damage could have been done with a sledgehammer and not from a round in the chamber.

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Re: Saw damaged P09 (kaboom, they call it) on another forum
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2015, 06:16:12 AM »
Found it on this facebook group   https://www.facebook.com/groups/184246458269973/

Posted on Feb. 25th.

Odd post, odd replies.  On a CZ facebook group like that you'd think more people would have been interested but only 3 people made comments.  15 likes???

The poster said he was using Federal aluminum cased ammo.  The comments were about range pickup brass, not being able to reload aluminum brass, etc.  Only one comment was about the damaged pistol.

Just seemed sort of weird to me, the lack of interest and the non-sense comments.
I just keep wasting time and money on other brands trying to find/make one shoot like my P07 and P09.  What is wrong with me?

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Re: Saw damaged P09 (kaboom, they call it) on another forum
« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2015, 07:57:47 AM »
As far as squibs go, any bullet that isn't strong enough to make it out of the barrel isn't strong enough to cycle the slide and load the next round.  No need to worry about squibs with an auto unless you're going to tap,rack,bang outside of an actual combat situation, in which case, you're kind of asking for it.  ;)

Obviously, revolvers are a different story entirely.

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Re: Saw damaged P09 (kaboom, they call it) on another forum
« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2015, 01:44:32 PM »
As far as squibs go, any bullet that isn't strong enough to make it out of the barrel isn't strong enough to cycle the slide and load the next round.  No need to worry about squibs with an auto unless you're going to tap,rack,bang outside of an actual combat situation, in which case, you're kind of asking for it.  ;)

Obviously, revolvers are a different story entirely.

Dont count on this to always be true.  I personally saw a friend of mine shooting a steel challenge stage last month have what he thought was a feeding problem but was in fact a squib load.  The only thing that stopped him from firing the next round was the squib stopped the next round from fully chambering just enough to keep the gun from going into battery.  Only after trying to tap and rack two rounds did he notice on the second try the gun was just short of going into battery.  But the gun did fully eject and fired case and tried to feed the next round after the squib.     

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Re: Saw damaged P09 (kaboom, they call it) on another forum
« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2015, 05:42:02 PM »
Can happen to any gun. Just takes one bad round.

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Re: Saw damaged P09 (kaboom, they call it) on another forum
« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2015, 06:36:14 PM »
I personally saw a friend of mine shooting a steel challenge stage last month have what he thought was a feeding problem but was in fact a squib load.  The only thing that stopped him from firing the next round was the squib stopped the next round from fully chambering just enough to keep the gun from going into battery.  Only after trying to tap and rack two rounds did he notice on the second try the gun was just short of going into battery.  But the gun did fully eject and fired case and tried to feed the next round after the squib.   

Yes, a squib can happen to any gun with one bad round.  Absolutely true.   But for a squib to happen and cycle the slide and load the next round, though, that takes a bad round, voodoo, and evil pixie dust.  ;)

Dave, I want to point out that your friend did exactly what I said someone needed to do to get themselves in trouble with a squib -- he tapped,racked,banged without checking out his problem. 

Now, I know you're thinking - A-HA! -- that I said a squib wouldn't cycle the slide, but in your friend's case it did cycle the next round in, which jammed up against the squib.  The problem, though, is that your friend TAPPED/RACKED/BANGED without checking that.  In fact, he did it twice.  Of course there's a live round butted up against the squib after he tapped,racked,banged.  HE cycled the next live round in.  In all likelihood, his first failure to fire was on the empty case left over from the squib, then that first tap,rack,bang ejected an empty case, and cycled in a live round, which butted up against the squib.  Then -- failure to fire.  Then -- Tap, rap, bang again.  Then -- Failure to fire.  Then -- "What's going on?  Oh, look, I have a squib."

We had a handloader regular here in the forums last year run some tests to see exactly what it took to produce a squib.  In his testing, it took 0.1 grains of powder or no powder at all.  With IMR 700-X powder, the slide stopped cycling at 2.0 grains of powder, then he had to reduce the powder charge 95% further, 95% LESS powder than where the slide stopped cycling before he got an actual squib.  Then there's the other type of squib, where the powder is compromised in one way or another, and the powder simply burns way too slow and incompletely to generate enough pressure to push the bullet down the barrel, but those also don't create enough pressure to cycle the slide. 

Food for thought.   ;)


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Re: Saw damaged P09 (kaboom, they call it) on another forum
« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2015, 09:50:11 PM »
I never saw that picture before, and don't remember seeing that on our facebook site - I can't access FB from where I am at this exact minute, so I'm not sure which FB CZ page is at the end of that link.
I've seen lots of guns go KaBoom, but it does seem to be mostly 40SW sidearms. As a reloader I triple check all powder levels after charging cases - I hate squibs and KaBooms. I have only seen one squib, and the bullet made it halfway out the barrel and stuck. Only a sharp eye stopped the shooter from blowing his 1911 to bits.
All I can say is be careful, and realize KaBooms happen a good deal less frequently than auto accidents.