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Offline jameslovesjammie

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Powerfactor Show 2016 Hodgdon Interview
« on: April 04, 2016, 10:57:05 PM »
They are still working on a replacement for SR7625, but have a new one coming out soon to replace SR4756.  It will be Winchester 572.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EKqTforecg

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Re: Powerfactor Show 2016 Hodgdon Interview
« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2016, 12:27:56 AM »
Several dealers are already stocking the Winchester 572, but they haven't published any handgun loads for it as of yet.  There is shotgun data for it, thought.  It should meter well, considering it's a ball powder from St. Marks.

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Re: Powerfactor Show 2016 Hodgdon Interview
« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2016, 07:07:44 AM »
Nice that Clays is back, but 2-1/2 years and no replacement for 7625 shows a complete lack of planning on their part, and a complete disregard for their customer base.

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Re: Powerfactor Show 2016 Hodgdon Interview
« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2016, 01:30:38 PM »
Since Hodgdon doesn't make any of the powders they sell, they're pretty much at the mercy of the companies who actually make the powders.  They can specify what they want a powder to do, or the kind of powder they want (flake, ball, cylindrical, flattened ball, etc.), but they have to find a company that either has the equipment to make the powder they want, or has the extra capacity to add another powder into their product line.  Or is even willing to take on another product...

In the case of SR4756 and SR7625, the manufacturer no longer wanted to make those powders, and they weren't top sellers in the whole scheme of things, so Hodgdon was no longer able to get the product.  Powder is truly a product of the global economy, so Hodgdon has to get their products where they can.  It was a smart move to get General Dynamics, Canada to agree to make the Clays line of powders, instead of depending on ADI in Australia, with the association shipping restrictions for transoceanic shipping of gunpowders.  Now the product can be shipped in trucks, one right after another, instead of waiting for their "ship to come in", so to speak.

I've talked to Chris Hodgdon at the SHOT Show and he's a really nice guy, as is CB Hodgdon, though CB is pretty much retired from the business now.  We talked at length about finding a replacement for 800X that would actually flow through a powder measure, and Chris and I both tried it in our Belding & Mull measures.  We agreed that if it won't meter in a B&M measure, it isn't going to meter through any measure.  He uses 800X for some of his loading and cusses it just like I do.  He said they couldn't find a powder company that could produce the same burning characteristics as 800X in any other configuration.  In a way, they are just as much victim to the manufacturers as we are, and in some cases, victims of the technology, or lack of it.

I'm just glad they're as consumer friendly as they are.  When you talk to them in person, you can feel the frustration level, which is the same as ours.  They'd love to sell the product, if they could get it, and they're working on it.  It just takes time to get the process worked out.

In the case of Winchester 231, the problem is supply and demand.  A lot of the ammunition manufacturers use 231 for their handgun ammunition, so the demand for that particular powder is extremely high from the big boys.  Money talks, and when you have guaranteed sales that you depend on from year to year, you, as the manufacturer, are going to take care of those steady customers, since that's income you can depend on for the day to day operations.  It just makes good business sense to channel the product that way, and since there is still only a finite production capacity, we're stuck with the situation for awhile. 

Hope this helps.

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Re: Powerfactor Show 2016 Hodgdon Interview
« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2016, 07:38:40 PM »
While I'm aware that Hodgdon is a distributor and not a manufacturer, IMHO they could have/ should have enticed IMR to hang with it a couple of more years until another company could be found to make something like it. That's what I'm getting at.

That could have been easily arranged by a rise in prices to meet the manufacturer's required price point. I myself paid $160 for 8lbs and was glad to find it, and would buy 2 more tomorrow. That's $40 more than W231. Certainly a look at that price level has got to get somebody's attention.

If IMR declared tomorrow that "7625 Limited Edition" was going to be available by pre-paid subscription they would probably be surprised at the number of orders they received. People really miss this stuff.

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Re: Powerfactor Show 2016 Hodgdon Interview
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2016, 09:11:16 PM »
I agree with Wobbly about the willingness to pay more for the IMR sr 7625 powder.  I DID find and bought 8# at a very high price a few months back.  For my comp. and range 9mm loads it's the powder I would choose exclusively.

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Re: Powerfactor Show 2016 Hodgdon Interview
« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2016, 09:26:44 PM »
For my comp. and range 9mm loads it's the powder I would choose exclusively.


When we discovered 7625 I stopped buying VihtaVuori altogether. Vit N320 is (what ?) $120 for 4lbs. Therefore $160 (or even $180) for 8lbs is still a super deal.

Instead of billing it as a W231 wannabe, they should have marketed it as a premium Vit contender and beat Vit to death on the price.

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Re: Powerfactor Show 2016 Hodgdon Interview
« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2016, 11:12:51 PM »
I have an unopened 8# jug of 7625.   I have 11 1 or 4# bottles of other suitable pistol powders I'm going to develop loads for first.  I'll keep some of my current 7625 ammo for comparison.
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Re: Powerfactor Show 2016 Hodgdon Interview
« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2016, 10:09:06 AM »
 With 124/125gr 9mm bullets I have tried power pistol, bullseye, e3, unique,  wsf, wst, 231/hp38, titegroup,  universal,  n324, n3sh, n320, sillouete,  zip,  4756 and 7625. All were loaded for competition action shooting in mind with a couple for accuracy. For 9mm I only keep 7625, wsf and bulleye on my bench.
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I have always had good local places for powder and can be very picky on the powder I choose. If 7625 ever appeared again I would be adding it to my stash. Local shooters only use 7625 for shotgun applications and is the most underrated pistol powders.
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