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Offline Fuzzynutkila

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CSA VZ 58 LPM SCOPE
« on: June 23, 2016, 03:15:36 PM »
Hi, I am new to this forum. I recently purchased a CSA VZ 58 and also the CSA Low Profile Mount (LPM). I want to put a scope on it and wanted input on what works well with 7.62 caliber and won't interfere with shell ejection.  I do not want a red dot. I have bad eyes and want to have a magnified optical that can be consistent to 200 yards. So far I have found the Primary Arms 4X 7.62 prism scope. I would like to hear want other people have been successful with and share their opinions. 

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Re: CSA VZ 58 LPM SCOPE
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2016, 04:08:42 PM »
PA has both a 3x and 4x compact option.  Other similar option would be the ACOG.  All 7.62x39/300 blk bdcs.

If you don't need a bdc reticle, then you would have add'l options.  The Vortex spitfire prism 1x for instance works similar to an Eotech (similar reticle) and/or red dot.  Since prism however, it can be focused for bad eyes and no reason a magnifier couldn't be run inline like with red dots either.  Some of the red dot magnifiers also probably have adjustment as well -- so might be able to start w/ red dot too, depending on extent of your vision issues.
So 7.62x39 w/ a 25/200 yard zero, really only deviates +/- 4" or less with common ammo, so is pretty flat shooting, so any crosshair type optic, or red dot, should be sufficient for your needs... 

*And no reason you can't use AR 5.56, .308 bdc reticles either.  Again flat shooting to 200 (center crosshair), and then would give you the fun of identifying actual ranges for bdc reticles and taping to the rifle...  All bdc reticles really need this anyways when customized to specific preferred load.
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Offline Fuzzynutkila

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Re: CSA VZ 58 LPM SCOPE
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2016, 04:37:40 PM »
I am such a noob to scopes. I had to look up bdc meaning. I wear glasses but I have a hard time seeing far distances. I know I have to consider length when mounting on rear to not interfere with casInga ejecting. I don't want to spend more than about 250 or so.  Obviously if there is something just out of reach that it crazy better then I'll take that leap. I want to be able to see a target up to about 200+ yds basketball size with minimal skill lol. It's just for SHTF longer range than my CZ Evo Scorpion. 
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Re: CSA VZ 58 LPM SCOPE
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2016, 10:18:39 PM »
Welcome to the forum,I have the PA ACSS and it works perfectly,it doesn't interfere with the ejected casings,and for the $ you can't go wrong,RSR gave some other good options,just goggle them, so you can make your own opinion.BDC is a type of scope reticle.Good luck buddy

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Re: CSA VZ 58 LPM SCOPE
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2016, 12:31:32 PM »
Sounds like you'll be best served with a fixed mag optic then...  Depending on eye dominance, etc, issues -- with the magnified optics, you can close the cover on the objective lens (one furthest away from you), and with both eyes open will still allow the magnified optic to work somewhat like a red dot without the confusion of seeing two different mag levels w/ each eye...  In fact, a red dot with one eye and viewing the target with the other is how some of the early non-electric red dots worked.

You can also look through the sight both/one eye open, but I find it to be less effective.  About 2.5x is the max I can personally do without slowing down during target transitions...

Unless you feel you need max magnification, 3x will be lighter than 4x, more compact, and perform better in low light.  At 3x, a tennisball/baseball will become soccerball/basketball size at naked eye at all distances.  3x also gives you magnification while also allowing some flexibility for faster transition on closer targets...

Point about any optic regardless of bdc, is that you can use any optic you want. 
With variables and second focal plane, the bdc or other reticle marks on the optic will change in position as the magnification changes (no change to reticle as you increase or decrease zoom) -- so bdc reticles on sfp variable scopes only work as designed at max magnification (to be clear, center remains center however).  With first focal plane optics, the reticle stays consistent with view as magnification changes so bdc reticle works/is accurate at all mag levels. 
The nice part about fixed mag optics, is that bdc works as designed all the time.  And while fixed mag prism scopes are nice in that reticle is etched so they don't need batteries/work if battery dies -- the ability to luminate the reticle is extremely handy and most definitely a feature you want.  So ensure you have illumination -- I prefer red in natural environments, but green can sometimes be better against certain backgrounds as well...

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Re: CSA VZ 58 LPM SCOPE
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2016, 02:15:55 PM »
Thanks for all the feedback.  I'm torn between the Vortex Spitfire and the PA . I have a couple of questions....why would someone want a 1X scope? Also, the PA prisms only come in 3and 4 for 7.62x39. I see people talking about a 2.5 but I think that is for a 223 bdc set up. If I'm shooting to 200yds, does that really matters and if it does,  should I not get it? I would definitely go with the 3 vs 4 cause I'm just trying to get out to 200. 2.5 would be more ideal to keep it usable as a red dot, kind of. None of the Vortex are 7.62.  I know the Vortex also comes with a lifetime warranty vs I think a 3 year for PA.

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Re: CSA VZ 58 LPM SCOPE
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2016, 03:41:59 PM »
Update: I talked to PA. They don't make a 2.5X anymore so that solves thathe choice. They also said the BDC has to be the 7.62 version otherwise it would be off even at 200 yds. I will contact Vortex to see if the Spitfire is any different.  I think I saw somewhere that it is possible to recalculate the numbers or something. 

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Re: CSA VZ 58 LPM SCOPE
« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2016, 12:44:33 AM »
The 1x is essentially a red dot.  However, due to the type of optic you can focus it to your eye without glasses -- so very good for those with astigmatism and such where without a focus a red dot resembles a 4 leaf clover, otherwise fuzzy.  Also red dots are projections, so only work with batteries.  Prism scopes have reticles engraved on glass, and then they have a supplementary lighting option for that engraved reticle as well.  Since like red dots, you can add a separate, self-contained magnifier to them as well...

Any round can be used with any bdc scope.  Effectively define what your max acceptable deviation is above and below zero and then you can zero your rifle at central crosshair for that.  As mentioned, you can do 25-200 yard zero for minute of man/deer w/ 7.62x39...
Bdc reticles are made for a specific caliber and a specific bullet in that caliber usually.  They are nearly never exactly configured to your rifle, your cartridge, and your shooting conditions (elevation, weather, etc)...  More advanced precision shooters will figure out where exactly the hits are and tape them to their stocks (600 yard is actually 625 or 400 yard hash aim 4 inches low for exact hit, etc. -- but usually they are intended to be 100 yard increments and generally do serve well enough to get you on target... 
If using a bdc for a caliber not your own, you'd definitely want to do this testing.  And comparing trajectories on ballistic calculators would probably actually suffice to get you on paper as well...

Good luck.  Keep us posted on your selection -- and glad you're taking steps to be an informed buyer and willing to learn and ask questions.  It's refreshing.

One more thing w/ bdcs -- with a faster dropping round like 7.62x39 you may find that the 100 yard increments become 50 yard increments at range.  So a 600 yard 5.56 optic may only reach 400 yards before you're hitting the lowest hash... 

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Re: CSA VZ 58 LPM SCOPE
« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2016, 03:01:19 PM »
The PA 1x6 w/7.62x39 BDC has worked for me for 3Gun on an SGL-21 AKM.  The scope was swapped off a vz.58, so the performance should be similar.  As far as being consistent at 200 yards: If you do your job this optic will support you.  The 6X optic is more than adequate at 200.  I use a Burris Fastfire2 red dot in conjunction with the 1x6 for 3Gun to quickly engage between close or distant targets without adjusting the zoom on the scope. (targets range from paper at 10 ft out to Steel Heads at 75yds or steel 3/4 silhouettes at 100-200yds).  Issue is that you need a full top rail on the vz.58 to operate the scope without the action jamming with shell casings bouncing back off the scope.

I also run a Trigicon ACOG TAG-13 w/ 7.62x39 BDC which is fixed at 3x zoom (unlike the 5.56 ACOGs which are fixed at 4X.) Quick acquisition of targets is difficult for my old eyes with the ACOG because the field of view is narrow and I haven't been able to learn how to shoot with both eyes open due to the ACOG 4x zoom, although some people do it successfully.  Again, for close target acquisition I use the red dot and the ACOG.
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