Open sight P-07 versus P-10C, short video added

[Joe L]

I had not been to the range for nearly two weeks with weather/work/holidays/company.  So today I slipped out of the office for a one hour range visit with the P-10C and P-07, 40 rounds each, 4 timed fire targets with each gun (10 rounds standing single hand 25 yards). 

Now I have a lot of trigger time with the P-07 and it has a smooth as silk CGW hammer single action trigger pull, and a nice fat front sight, non-adjustable. 

The P-10C has a 4# glock firing pin spring and some Sugru and an LPA adjustable rear sight.  It has a 4.5 lb trigger pull, compared to the 3.5 lb (I think) P-07 pull. 

I was able to shoot the P-07 better, sooner, than the P-10C.  The pistols are different, very different.  It is apparent if you shoot them side by side.  The striker still seems strange to me because I simply haven't shot it enough.  The P-07 is just right.  Just like the P-09, I can pick it up and shoot it well immediately.  Not bullseye match well, but I don't struggle with it. 

This video will finish uploading by 7:00pm CDT, I hope. 

https://youtu.be/qZvhB0zv7BQ

I shot both guns OK, but I felt like I worked harder at shooting the P-10C.  The P-07 was effortless.  Doesn't mean I didn't jerk the trigger a little with each.  I still need to practice more with each pistol. 

There are no bad range days with either pistol, in my opinion.  I think I am going to do some polishing on the P-10C internals next.  Dang, that P-07 trigger is sweet.

Joe

[benq]

I can empathize regarding the P-07 trigger. My Duty version is silky smoooooth with springs and guide rod being the only upgrades and no polishing, whereas my P-09 is so so even with Cajun parts and some polishing.  Stuart@CZCustoms told me polymers can have different "personalities" despite given the same customization/TLC.

[Joe L]

I've been shooting pretty much the P-10C lately instead of my bullseye guns, since I was not going to be able to participate in our local May match on Memorial Day weekend, so it was good today to get to shoot the P-10C side by side with the P-07. 

I pulled a few shots with each gun, but I think there are only two things I am going to work on with the P-10C.  The first is the trigger finger rub on the trigger guard, which is almost--but not quite--fixed.  The second is to get the trigger pull closer to 3.5 lbs.  Right now it is 4.5 lbs with the 4# Glock firing pin spring.  Just a little polishing might get it.  I actually like the trigger feel much more than I thought I would, but I have too much trigger time with hammers to convert to a striker liker over one pistol. 

I like the P-10C, and I will learn to shoot it well, but it will take some effort, just like it did for me to adapt to the P-09/07.  I just adapt quicker now than I used to. 

Oh, no failures or malfunctions today either.  I'm at 540 rounds and 5 different shooters.   Zero problems.   I still haven't cleaned the pistol.  But...soon.  Maybe this weekend.  Nah.  August.

This is fun.  This isn't easy. 

Joe

[gunkucool]

I had not been to the range for nearly two weeks with weather/work/holidays/company.  So today I slipped out of the office for a one hour range visit with the P-10C and P-07, 40 rounds each, 4 timed fire targets with each gun (10 rounds standing single hand 25 yards). 

Now I have a lot of trigger time with the P-07 and it has a smooth as silk CGW hammer single action trigger pull, and a nice fat front sight, non-adjustable. 

The P-10C has a 4# glock firing pin spring and some Sugru and an LPA adjustable rear sight.  It has a 4.5 lb trigger pull, compared to the 3.5 lb (I think) P-07 pull. 

I was able to shoot the P-07 better, sooner, than the P-10C.  The pistols are different, very different.  It is apparent if you shoot them side by side.  The striker still seems strange to me because I simply haven't shot it enough.  The P-07 is just right.  Just like the P-09, I can pick it up and shoot it well immediately.  Not bullseye match well, but I don't struggle with it. 

This video will finish uploading by 7:00pm CDT, I hope. 

https://youtu.be/qZvhB0zv7BQ

I shot both guns OK, but I felt like I worked harder at shooting the P-10C.  The P-07 was effortless.  Doesn't mean I didn't jerk the trigger a little with each.  I still need to practice more with each pistol. 

There are no bad range days with either pistol, in my opinion.  I think I am going to do some polishing on the P-10C internals next.  Dang, that P-07 trigger is sweet.

Joe

On my newbie vision, the P-10C "is" or will be the winner soon in the future on the same hand and condition than the P07 because you have practiced it for couple months/ weeks ago and you ONLY did couple soft modification compare with the p07 that has many many rounds and times on it. I still can not believe it you have done them with one hand with that perfect result.

[Joe L]

Just for comparison, here is a video of the P-09 at 25 yards, same setup as I shot the P-10C and P-07.  Only took 10 rounds to get back to shooting the P-09 pretty well. 

https://youtu.be/pwvNrvysMO8

Harder to do with the smaller guns and open sights! 

Joe

[armoredman]

Very nice! One of these days I have to get a microphone setup like that - the one on the camera just picks up too much wind noise.

[Joe L]

Very nice! One of these days I have to get a microphone setup like that - the one on the camera just picks up too much wind noise.

On-camera mics are killers in windy locations, or when you have to use a viewfinder and the camera mic picks up your breathing or coughing.  I use a lav mic and a separate recorder most of the time now.  I sometimes use a little camera that doesn't have a mic input and have to record separately anyway,  then sync the audio in post production.  Gun shots make it easy to sync.  Especially 5 shots in 20 seconds.  Good audio helps a bunch.  Getting two audio recorders and two cameras and a monitor all focused, color balanced, batteries checked, cards not full, levels set and then turning them on is a hassle when you are trying to stay calm and focused on the shooting. 

Joe

[DOC 1500]

Hey Joe love your videos, can you tell me everything you've done to your P09 besides polishing, and what hammer spring are you using.

[Joe L]

I may not remember everything I've done to the P-09.  JB-Weld on the grip and trigger face, CGW hammer and guide rod.  17# hammer spring, 13# recoil spring for the low power factor ammo, not much polishing.  I kept the stock sear spring, bent the trigger bar spring slightly, that's it.  The biggies are the CGW hammer and the grip/trigger buildup.  Burris FF3 3 moa red dot in a Springer Precision mount. 

Keep in mind that i don't want a 2 lb trigger.  I prefer a 3-3.5 lb trigger pull for bullseye and precision shooting in the centerfire guns. 

Joe

[GRU7_Mike]

I can live with everything stock with my P07, but the double action trigger might get some help.

[DOC 1500]

You can live with it stock,  but just wait till you get ahold of one that's been polished and a few Springs changed, you'll change your mind quick.
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