testimonial request; Vortex Spitfire AR-1x Prism Dot Sight

[mountainrider]

I have it sighted in @ 50 yds.  The 3x at 25 yds doesn't cause me any issues with target acquisition.  What helps is the reticle.  Placing the circle over the target pretty much ensures a target hit.  It works equally well with fast shooting multiple steel targets or slow aimed bullseye shooting.  Yes, at 100 yds it does help as you would expect.

I also think the factory steel sights are some of the best I've ever used.  The 3x does get removed from time to time just so I can use the steel ones.

I agree with you on the stock sights. I am also interested in your 50 yard sighting in process. Did you use a bore sighter as Vortex suggests or just shoot a 5 round group and adjust poi?

Tracking number says mine will be here Tuesday the 2nd.  Happy New Year

[dmossman]

I just put a Spitfire 1X on Friday night and took it to the range yesterday. Single digit temps here so went to the indoor range which has a max of 25 yards. Which was fine because I intended on a 25 yard zero.
I removed the 10mm riser to get a better sight picture with my cheek weld. It's not low enough for a co-witness but that is ok since the spitfire has the etched reticle. You aren't worried about dead batteries since the reticle is always visible.
No bore sight so first shot at 7 yards. Low and to the left. A few clicks up and to the right. Out to 15 and a few more clicks. Finally out tho 25. Click click and dead on. Zeroed with 10 shots.
I went ahead and put 200 more thru it at different ranges and speeds on 6 dot targets. This thing is fast to pick up. Then I went ahead and checked zero again. No correction needed.
I bought this with Christmas gift cards so basically free!

Dan

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[Thrillbilly]

I?ve been using the Spitfire on my Scorpion for months, and have put about a thousand rounds through it.

I have had no failures. Point of aim has not shifted at all.  I haven?t had to adjust anything since day one.

I love mine.

[longgonedaddy]

IIRC, when I first got the carbine and scope I sighted in at 25 yds.  The shots were on paper right from the start.   So it was just fire a group and adjust poi.  Once I quickly got used to how the rifle operated at short ranges I stepped out to 50 and 100 yds setteling on the 50 yd zero.  Once again it was group/adjust poi.

This is probably the day of the first 25 yd zeroing since it's on a rest and it's a 25 yd range table.

[mountainrider]

  Once I quickly got used to how the rifle operated at short ranges I stepped out to 50 and 100 yds setteling on the 50 yd zero.  Once again it was group/adjust poi.

What about bullet drop @ 100yds; any moa adjustments required?

I have access to a magnetic boresighter. I cannot fathom this concept possibly producing precision results, but the LGS gets $250 for the thing (BTW, this bore sighter is 75$ on ebay) and swears by it. They aren't even going to charge me for performing the service. If it were a cartridge style with center-adjustable laser I'd have more faith. BUT...I'm tempted (for the sake of science) to check it's accuracy after i old school zero the 3x at the range.

The LGS wouldn't budge from 349$ on the 3x. I paid ebay vendor 269$ shipped on Friday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAy4GR_-eG8

[dmossman]

  Once I quickly got used to how the rifle operated at short ranges I stepped out to 50 and 100 yds setteling on the 50 yd zero.  Once again it was group/adjust poi.

What about bullet drop @ 100yds; any moa adjustments required?

I have access to a magnetic boresighter. I cannot fathom this concept possibly producing precision results, but the LGS gets $250 for the thing (BTW, this bore sighter is 75$ on ebay) and swears by it. They aren't even going to charge me for performing the service. If it were a cartridge style with center-adjustable laser I'd have more faith. BUT...I'm tempted (for the sake of science) to check it's accuracy after i old school zero the 3x at the range.

The LGS wouldn't budge from 349$ on the 3x. I paid ebay vendor 269$ shipped on Friday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAy4GR_-eG8

Reading up on it a 25 yard zero should be on at 100 yards. When it warms up and I get to the outdoor range I'll test it out.

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[mountainrider]

I'm sure you noted that the 3x reticle is engineered around the 556 round. I would think the 9mm was dropping noticeably more @ 100yds and require more hold over. More for 147 grain than 115 maybe?

[longgonedaddy]

There was a 3 or 4 moa bullet drop @ 100 yards.  With the 3x reticle it's easy to just hold over for it.  I don't remember where the hold over is...but you can easily figure it out after a few shots.  I was using S&B 115gr FMJ.

I'm not sure how the magnetic laser bore sighter would work on the Scorp because of the angled muzzle break.

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[longgonedaddy]

Yes, I know it's designed for 556...but this is why I like the reticle so much and the reason I sighted in at 50 (instead of 25).  50 yds and less you just put the poa in the middle of the circle or in the crosshair...and you hit it.  I want to say the 100 yd holdover is simply putting the poa in the bottom of the circle where it meets the vertical reticle line...and you hit it.

That example might not be exactly correct but the answer is just as simple as that.

Basically, I'm really happy when I keep all the shots within a 6" x 6" box @ 100 yds.

[mountainrider]

The reticle was the swaying factor for me as well. Thanks for your input.

My clubs range is outdoors and the polar express is beating the thermometer into a pulp. Looks like its camped out for the next week.

I have an indoor range nearby. $20 an hour. May have to spring for lane rental

[longgonedaddy]

It's too cold to hit the outdoor range here, too.

You know you are going to want to try the new scope out...

Just found this pic of my first 25 yd zeroing.

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[mountainrider]

That's a sweet grouping. Frame worthy in fact.

Guess I wont have any equipment excuses for a poor showing.

[longgonedaddy]

FWIW, here's an old at the range thread from when I first got the Scorp.  Looks like the pics that were in my last two posts there are now gone.  You'll see the 100 and 200 yd potential  the 9mm rifle gives you.

http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=82110.msg602888#msg602888

[DanT]

When I first got my carbine, I added a red laser to it (CMR-201).  Works great almost any time except outdoors in daylight.  My initial calibration of this laser was aiming the iron sites at an object 25 yards out, and then adjusting the laser to be where the sights were pointing.

When I got my Vortex Spitfire AR-1x for Christmas, I calibrated it with the laser dot.  Turn on the laser, point it at something 25 yards out, then adjust the Spitfire AR 1x scope to match the laser dot.

Thus, if you happen to have a laser module, you can get a pretty good initial alignment without firing a single shot.  Line the laser up with the sights, then line the AR-1x up with the laser.

- DanT  Phoenix, Az