issue with last round in chamber ejecting thru magwell

[Nimitz87]

hey guys I have a P07 with cajun kit minus hammer, I did the smoothing of the trigger bar, and hammer as well.

I have about 1200 rounds through my p07 and during a sage dynamics course found out an issue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1IoolhK-rM

this can't be normal? it's not a huge problem until you're attempting 1 handed weapon malfunction drills charging the gun off my belt round doesnt eject but falls thru magwell causing a double feed, then clearing the double feed is a real pain as well.

aaron the sage instructor either said its the extractor needing to loosen up and to shoot it another 500 or so, and or its a bad extractor from the factory.

no other issues with the pistol at all.

I'm not accepting that this is normal, I spoke to cajun and they said "catch the round out of the bottom of the magwell"

that's not acceptable to me.

edit: it happens if you fire with an empty mag round in chamber as well.

[Nimitz87]

BTW I was the only CZ out of 22 in the class, 1 M&P and 1 Sig 320, rest all glocks.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bge5qhYBpEd/?taken-by=sagedynamics

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

Yea it's pretty much normal.

[koteris]

When I show clear on a P09, the round often goes down through the magwell.  That does seem different than most of the other guns I see, but it has never caused a problem.

[IronicTwitch]

Agreed, my P09 does the same. Not the same as my other CZs and 1911s.  Not sure if you can tune the ejector enough.   For most people this is probably in the don't care category.  I can't think of the drill you were practicing that would cause it to double feed.

[FakeCZName]

Whenever I pull the slide back to eject a round, I turn my pistol holding hand palm down so that the cartridge falls out instead of falling back into the pistol or through the magwell. You may have to practice your clearing drills with the P-07/9 canted so that the cartridge falls outside the pistol instead of into it. Hopefully, with a bit of practice, this will become natural to you and not slow you down during training.

[s0nspark]

Whenever I pull the slide back to eject a round, I turn my pistol holding hand palm down so that the cartridge falls out instead of falling back into the pistol or through the magwell.

I do a variant of this, angling the ejection port side of the gun towards the ground - think reverse gangsta hold for a right-handed shoota

I do the same (although not quite as pronounced) when working one-handed clearance drills off of my belt too, angling the gun so that the ejection port angles downward.

I 've seen this behavior with other makers' guns too - I don't think it is specifically a P-07/P-09 thing. It seems to be a combination of force used to rack the slide and whether the round happens to bounce off of the ejection port or slide in the process of making its way out.

[Nimitz87]

https://youtu.be/JcLWW5e1_1U

I'm sorry I'm not buying this is normal. I must have some kind of issue with the ejector.

And if this is normal who wants to buy my cz?

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

If you don't think it's normal then sell the gun but don't be surprised  when you run into other guns that behave the same way. Just because brand A ejects through the port with the mag out every time does not mean there is a defect with brand B because it doesn't.  Semi auto pistols are designed to operate with the magazine in place. My P-07 will behave the same way with the mag out depending on how hard/fast I rack the slide,it's normal and no big deal and the gun has never failed to operate as it should. I would not hesitate to reach for it in a defensive situation,it is in fact my house pistol at the moment with nearly 10k rnds fired.

[briang2ad]

For a while, this was the "big test" for the Gen 4 Glocks that were hitting people in the face with brass - it is a test of how well the extractor holds the cartridge - think about it.  If the extractor is well tuned and holds the brass tight, it will properly eject because it holds the empty tight till it hits the ejector.  (Then it also has to do with the shape and position of the ejector).  Here is the rub:  Do it with Azoom then the brass (or some OTHER) type of snap cap.  You might find that it ALSO depends on the rim - which can vary by manufacturer. Then there is SLIDE VELOCITY which is hard to replicate at home vice at the range.   So, it is the gun (extractor and ejector) at a given slide speed, and ammo.  3 DIFFERENT things at a minimum.  (Of course there is shooting grip).  So 4.  I'd say if the gun doesn't perform what you want it to LIVE and with the CARRY AMMO, and the way you will shoot it, you may have a problem that may be as easy to solve as an extra power extractor spring. 

[DWARREN]

I have seen it happen on many brands, the mag holds the round up so the ejector can knock it out of the pistol.

[s0nspark]

Just to reiterate... when ejecting the round with normal vigor, I see this a LOT less often (as in almost never) when I angle the gun slightly forward and to the right.

[Grendel]

You are all wasting your breath. The OP is convinced it is not normal, and nothing you guys can say will persuade him to the contrary.

It's common in threads of this type, people are actually looking for others to validate their belief, rather than actually looking for advice.

[briang2ad]

He?s frustrated and I can understand that.  I just tried a few 07s.  One has a tendency to eject out the bottom when using snap caps.  It also has a 15 LB hammer spring and runs steel cased ammo like a champ so I like it.  The test is live fire and the failure is erratic ejection (face) or FTE.  In a CZ I first suspect the extractor spring.

(Most of my guns eject the last round without a mag reasonably well, but not all). You can drive yourself nuts with this.


If the said drill is a must (gun runs fine otherwise), spend a few bucks and change the extractor spring.  That would likely solve it.  Then there is the extractor, then ejector and it?s spring.  None of this is that hard.  Hang in there.