Who has a RDS on either their PCR or P-07?

[Mifune326]

As my eyes get older and more weary, I'm finally exploring the idea of putting a RDS on either my PCR or my P-07.   It is the future for sure.  Who has had this done on either of these awesome pistols, and who do you prefer to do the work, CGW or Primary Machine, and why?

Thanks!

[m1a_scoutguy]

I have a Trijicon RMR on my 07 and LOVE it! I'm 65 and need help and the RMR does that big time! I have only had Primary Machine work on my gun so I can't speak for others but I know there are many shops out there that do great work so do some research and go from there I guess. I just picked PM because of others saying they are top-notch and from my experience I agree, no complaints from me! I got a heck of a deal on the RMR so that's why I bought one for my 1st RDS but I also bought a Holosun 507c but have not installed it yet. I think the Holosun is a little more forgiving in the window/lens dept and have heard good things about them also, that's why I bought one of them. They are also less expensive if that's important to ya. Anyways here is a pic of my 07, hope it helps you. Keep us posted on what you do.

[M1A4ME]

Resisted it for years.  Got two RMRs on sale.  Scared of it so I kept my EDC P07 home and sent my range use P09 to Primary Machine for milling, cerakoting and sight installation.

When it came back I took it to the range and was so impressed I sent my P07 and the second RMR to Primary Machine a week later.  Got the same work done to it.  When I came back I went to the range and it has been my EDC concealed pistol for the last 4 or 5 years.

I bought a couple DP Pros on sale and was wondering what to do with them when my wife shot my P07 and decided she wanted a red dot on her CZ75 Compact.  Sent her compact off to Primary Machine for milling and cerakoting.  When it came back I mounted the DP Pro with the back up rear sight on it (Primary Machine installed the tall front sight, too) and we sighted it in.

A CZ75 slide with a red dot (RMR or DP Pro) looks odd as the sight is quite a bit wider than the slide and overhangs it enough to notice.  The P07/P09 slide is much wider and the sight blends in much better.

You've seen a P07 with RMR.  Here's a CZ75 slide with a DP Pro, for comparison/understanding.

[Mifune326]

Thank you to both my M11a brothers.  This helps a lot!  I agree, I think a RDS in the P-07 is most likely the better move.

[M1A4ME]

You can get an adaptor plate installed between the CZ75 slide and red dot which sort of "transitions" between the narrower slide and wider red dot - but it also makes the red dot sit higher which may require different sights if you want to also have back up sights.  I didn't do it that way so I can't really say what you'd need.

A good P07 will have a marvelous trigger.  Mine came out of the box with a 3&1/2 lb. SA and around 8&1/2 DA trigger pull.  Some people report their P07's have a DA trigger pull in excess of 12 lbs.  The advice here has been to choose based on trigger smoothness/feel if you can find one to hold in your hand at the gun store or gun show before you buy it.  They can be fixed with some time/effort by either polishing internal parts or buying aftermarket parts from folks like CGW or CZ Custom.

One other thing.  My P07 has a red/amber FO front sight and the RMR is amber.  Bother me not one little bit.  However, my wife's CZ75 Compact had a similar set up, the amber/red DP Pro and an amber/red FO front sight.  She said she was always confused about which "red dot" to use for aiming unless she took the time to think about it.  I installed a green FO rod in the front sight on the slide and that fixed it for her.  Just in case you find having two dots the same color are a bother.

Range two?  Red dot probably doesn't matter.  Concealed carry/self defense?  Most people want a tough, durable, dependable red dot.  And most people who are in the position/job of carrying/treating their pistols hard choose the RMR sights.  I am reading (on the internet) that that Holosun 507C is the next best sight.  Tougher than the DP Pro, Vortex brands, Burris offerings, etc.  In 5 or 6 years I've not had a single issue from my RMRs and in the two years my wife carried her Compact she had no issues with the DP Pro.  I've got a 507C I plan to install on a pistol once I choose which one wins the accuracy contest (XD 5" Tactical .45, M&P 2.0  5" 9MM, FNS .40 Long Slide or the CZ P09 40. S&W.

[Mifune326]

Thank you for the info!!  My P-07's trigger wasn't all that great out of the box but has been much improved with the help of some CGW parts!  I'm taking a long look at the Holosuns.  I'm hearing great things.

[eastman]

now that I finally have a Holosun 507c green, I will be sending out the spare P-07 slide for milling.

[Mifune326]

Excellent!

[Vinny]

Been using RDS since 2016 and convinced it's simply faster and more accurate for my 'ol eyes! I have a bit of astigmatism that blurs a small dot, so for SD and competition I prefer the larger 6moa dot or DPpro 7.5moa triangle for quicker center-mass placement.

I've had all my CZ's milled. Some by CZC, CGW, Primary.  For a P-07/09 I've had good results from Primary, but they mill the slide for an exact fit; so you're locked into that optic for better or worse. They mill their cut level with top of slide, so some optics with limited elevation adjustment (like J-Point and Shield) might not zero at SD range. I learned this the hard way and had to add a 1 degree Delrin shim under my Shield RMS to get enough adjustment.

For a 75 variant CZC's mult-optic plates work great and give you the option of changing later. They did my P-01 (pictured below) for a Venom that has two vertical lines that act as my rear BUIS. Their cut has about a 1deg forward tilt so should work with most if not all optics.

I believe CGW offers these mounting plates too, and they did an exceptional job mounting an RMR on my little RAMI BD, understanding due to short barrel tilt the cut needed over 2 deg of forward tilt. (look at the height difference between your front and rear irons!) Remember that the world of electronics changes rapidly, so having future options are something to consider. 

Here's the Venom with the vertical 'goal post' markings that Primary mounted on my P-07:

[Mifune326]

Thank you all the info Vinny.  Funny, you should mention creating a permanent footprint in your slide for future optics that may come along.  I was watching a "Primary and Secondary" Modcast on the "Pistol RDS" and Aaron Cowan from Sage Dynamics was talking about future RDS that will be true "pistol RDSs" and not just downsized long gun RDSs.  That gave me pause about creating a permanent footprint for this generation of RDS when the next gen of RDS may be something completely different.   But then again, who knows when that's going to come!

[Mifune326]

Thank you all the info Vinny.  Funny, you should mention creating a permanent footprint in your slide for future optics that may come along.  I was watching a "Primary and Secondary" Modcast on the "Pistol RDS" and Aaron Cowan from Sage Dynamics was talking about future RDS that will be true "pistol RDSs" and not just downsized long gun RDSs.  That gave me pause about creating a permanent footprint for this generation of RDS when the next gen of RDS may be something completely different.   But then again, who knows when that's going to come!

Here's the link for the Modcast I mentioned above.  Good info...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxtfsNeiOwI

[Vinny]

Thank you all the info Vinny.  Funny, you should mention creating a permanent footprint in your slide for future optics that may come along.  I was watching a "Primary and Secondary" Modcast on the "Pistol RDS" and Aaron Cowan from Sage Dynamics was talking about future RDS that will be true "pistol RDSs" and not just downsized long gun RDSs.  That gave me pause about creating a permanent footprint for this generation of RDS when the next gen of RDS may be something completely different.   But then again, who knows when that's going to come!

Thanks Mifune for the Modcast link. Watched 2+ hours of it. Alot of good info with various points-of-view. BJ Norris World Champ competition shooter, Aaron Cowan LEO and MIL RDS trainer and others quite knowledgeable on RDS subject.
One thing for certain, RDS on pistols are the future and will become as prolific as Scopes on rifles.
As optics continue to improve, I can rest assured the CZCustom set-up I have on several pistols with their changeable mounting plates will allow me to update to the next best thing if I so desire down the road. 
Meanwhile......I've shot many thousands of rounds with DPPro, Venom, SIG Romeo, and RMR 01 and they've all served me well. Haven't tried a Holosun yet, but hear good things.
The only RDS I've had issues with is the rather flimsy Shield RMS I have on my other P-01. Maybe I can try replacing the Shield RMS with a Holosun; but unfortunately it's a slide that Primary milled to exact fit. Dunno if it can be re-milled to fit the Holosun, or a multi-optic plate??

Anyhow...Please let us know as you proceed.   -Vinny

[Mifune326]

Awesome.  Thank you again Vinny.