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Offline Metallicat

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Range Report with new CZ Shadow and P365
« on: June 16, 2019, 12:05:14 PM »
I recently picked up a new Shadow Target II model from my LGS, as well as a P365.  The 365 is my first polymer framed handgun.  I wanted something a bit lighter and less bulky than my Kahr K9 (which btw is also a fantastic pistol).  So I went with his recommendation and got the Sig while I was trying to decide which CZ I wanted to order.   

I experienced a few instances where the 365 would not fully go into battery after stripping off a new round.  I did some poking around online and found that this is not uncommon, and may be attributed to using the "thumbs forward" hold, or perhaps some more break-in time is needed.  I only put about 100 rounds through it since I was having so much more fun with the CZ.  I could be inadvertently hitting either the slide stop or rubbing the slide itself with my thumb since there isn't a whole heck of a lot of real estate on this pistol for that style of grip.  Also it is entirely possible I was limp-wristing it a bit but don't really think that is the issue.  So next time I will try a better hold to keep my hands away from the moving parts and see what happens.  The Sig is definitely more jumpy than my Kahr, but it too has a fantastic trigger and of course weighs less and has more capacity than the single stack K9.  I wish I could comment better on the accuracy.  I started out pretty impressed at 15 yards but after shooting the CZ, I lost all sense of aim with the Sig and had to retrain myself to get back on target.  I did not clean or lube this firearm prior to taking it to the range as it was plenty wet from the factory, however yesterday I completely blew everything out, scrubbed, and re-lubed.  So this may help smooth things out.

The Shadow has excellent target sights and of course as everyone knows here it is a fantastic shooting pistol.  It came pretty wet from the factory so I just added some more oil to the rails before heading out to the range.  I shot at a distance of no more than 20 yards and could produce nice groups by taking my time.  I am not a bulls eye shooter but this gun started to make me think I could be with a bit more practice.  Sight acquisition during rapid fire is pretty easy and intuitive which I enjoyed.  The trigger in SA is fantastic.  The first round caught me a bit off guard with the 3.5# break but after that it was smooth sailing.  One thing I noticed is that the trigger pull in DA mode had a bit of resistance half way through the travel.  It felt almost like the main spring was catching and this could be felt through the trigger.  After breaking it down for a cleaning, I think the trigger bar may be rubbing ever so slightly on the frame.  I cleaned out all of the crud and re-lubed everything and the trigger smoothness improved at least 70% in DA.  For the first time I decided to use a light gun grease on the rails of a handgun, and I also added grease to any point where the finish showed some wear.  I oiled the pivot points and springs.  Just something I thought I would try out since lube never seems to stay where I put it. 
The only real downside to this firearm is that I no longer want to shoot my 1911.  It just seems so old, clunky, and ergonomically inferior next to the CZ.  I put about 300 rounds downrange and didn't want to stop after my hour was over.     

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Re: Range Report with new CZ Shadow and P365
« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2019, 06:43:19 PM »
I was wrong about the trigger bar rubbing against the frame. After further inspection that isn't an issue at all.  I know now what contributes to a less than perfectly smooth DA action and it is likely normal, but I don't know how to describe what is happening as I don't yet quite understand the inner clockwork of this firearm. 

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Re: Range Report with new CZ Shadow and P365
« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2019, 09:00:40 PM »
There are lots of guys here who have worked to smooth and lighten their CZ pistol's DA trigger pull.  You can do it yourself of send it off to CZ Custom or Cajun Gun Works to do it.  I'm sure they would do a better job than what I've done on my own as they have the combination of skill/experience/tools, etc. and I just like to tinker with my own pistols so much.

I do the same thing, sometimes.  I shoot my CZ's and I'm happy.  Then I buy something else and shoot it and then go back to my CZ's to shoot really nice groups again and wonder why I messed around with a different brand.
I just keep wasting time and money on other brands trying to find/make one shoot like my P07 and P09.  What is wrong with me?

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Re: Range Report with new CZ Shadow and P365
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2019, 12:26:58 PM »
Sig makes a good gun and the 365 is no exception.  That it was plenty wet surprises me since in the past the guns they shipped were heavily coated in goop so they would not corrode. There were a number of issues with P250's having "issues" because folks did not clean and lube them before they shot them.

I have tried to shoot a 365 and found that there is not a lot of gun there to get a hold of.  Even with modest sized hands I run out of room very quickly. My friend who owned the gun also has a micro Kimber and it presents the same issues AND she was having the same issues with both guns.....body parts coming into contact with moving gun parts - and that causes problems.

It is a very good gun that is probably going to take some time to learn how to shoot with so little hand space.

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Re: Range Report with new CZ Shadow and P365
« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2019, 10:03:26 AM »
Sig makes a good gun and the 365 is no exception.  That it was plenty wet surprises me since in the past the guns they shipped were heavily coated in goop so they would not corrode. There were a number of issues with P250's having "issues" because folks did not clean and lube them before they shot them.

I have tried to shoot a 365 and found that there is not a lot of gun there to get a hold of.  Even with modest sized hands I run out of room very quickly. My friend who owned the gun also has a micro Kimber and it presents the same issues AND she was having the same issues with both guns.....body parts coming into contact with moving gun parts - and that causes problems.

It is a very good gun that is probably going to take some time to learn how to shoot with so little hand space.

Larry

I replaced the flat magazine base with a Pearce extension on the 10 round mag that came with my Sig P365 and it really increased the amount of space you have to grab.  The mag on the left has the Pearce extension, the mag on the right is the factory extended 10 rounder. 

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Re: Range Report with new CZ Shadow and P365
« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2019, 01:38:04 PM »
   

I experienced a few instances where the 365 would not fully go into battery after stripping off a new round.  I did some poking around online and found that this is not uncommon, and may be attributed to using the "thumbs forward" hold, or perhaps some more break-in time is needed.  I only put about 100 rounds through it since I was having so much more fun with the CZ.  I could be inadvertently hitting either the slide stop or rubbing the slide itself with my thumb since there isn't a whole heck of a lot of real estate on this pistol for that style of grip.  Also it is entirely possible I was limp-wristing it a bit but don't really think that is the issue.  So next time I will try a better hold to keep my hands away from the moving parts and see what happens.  The Sig is definitely more jumpy than my Kahr, but it too has a fantastic trigger and of course weighs less and has more capacity than the single stack K9.  I wish I could comment better on the accuracy.  I started out pretty impressed at 15 yards but after shooting the CZ, I lost all sense of aim with the Sig and had to retrain myself to get back on target.  I did not clean or lube this firearm prior to taking it to the range as it was plenty wet from the factory, however yesterday I completely blew everything out, scrubbed, and re-lubed.  So this may help smooth things out.


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my s365 was really wet from the factory as well. and I had the same issue with it not going into battery. all that factory goop is more of a preservative. its not a lubricant. i blasted mine out with gunscrubber, oiled the springs and greased the rails, ran the action a few times and it never did that again

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Re: Range Report with new CZ Shadow and P365
« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2019, 12:00:04 PM »
I have put several hundred rounds through both firearms this summer,  the Sig and the CZ.  The P365 now runs flawlessly.   The CZ is a joy to shoot and only caughed once.  It didn't seem to like a particular Remington JHP, but that was the only one occurrence. 

I'm ordering some custom Lok grips for it to dress it up a bit.  All balck is a little boring.