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Offline combatpanda

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Let’s talk components shopping list
« on: January 23, 2020, 10:50:09 PM »
Hello all-

New to this forum and new-ish to reloading. Not new to firearms. I am a higher volume pistol shooter (10-17k/year) and have been on the CZ train since I picked up my Shadow 2. I still feel new-Ish to reloading I have limited experience with different components and powders. In my former striker fire life I knew that plated bullets over Titegroup on mixed brass was consistent and repeatable. I have now decided to branch out a touch and see what I could/should stock up on if sales / opportunities for discounts present themselves. My use is Minor PF and range ammo in 9mm. All loading is done off a Dillon progressive. I still purchase SD ammo. Currently for my S2, P07 and P09 my load components are:

Mixed brass
CCI Primers
Titegroup
Berry’s 124 or 147 - got a great deal but my supply is running out

Looking at powders, primers and bullets what do you prefer/ what do you avoid like the plague?

Anything I should absolutely buy/try if it is in stock? Hodgdon and IMR is everywhere locally.

Thanks in advance everyone!

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Re: Let’s talk components shopping list
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2020, 08:27:08 AM »
Welcome Aboard !

Your volumes and type of shooting are going to drive this in possibly a slightly different direction, than say your average 'plinker'. Also because to the type shooting, you may now, or at a foreseeable time in the future, have gun mods. I say all that so that someone else reading this won't run out and and buy all this for their stock P09.

Bullets
You are first and foremast driven by a mix of cost/ accuracy/ bulk purchasing. Jacketed for ultimate accuracy, 124gr for faster splits. My personal choices in order...
1. Precision Delta 124gr conical JHP **. These are $115/1000, but when you buy 2K the price drops to $89 ea. And there may be additional discounts on top of that. It's simply unbeatable. Shipping is FREE. Typical OAL in CZ is 1.100".
2. Zero 124gr JHP. These are A++ bullets which have the unusual ability to be swapped with PD 124 JHP and seat at the same OAL. They are a rounded ogive which may feed slightly better. An excellent backup should it be needed.
3. Rocky Mntn Reloading (RMR) 124gr conical 'Match Winner'
4. Rocky Mntn Reloading 124gr rounded ogive JHP
5. If you need to go slow and heavy, then consider 135gr bullet rather than 147. I've been delighted with the coated version of the Missouri Bullet Co (MBC) 135gr RN IDP#8 Hi-Tek. OAL of 1.130" in CZ.

Powder
There are only 2 powders I'd consider, and the make/break decision point is all about what you can afford. In order of preference...
1. VihtaVuori N320. This is a single-base wonder drug. It runs much cooler than other powders. If you look in the dictionary under "perfect", then there's a picture of this stuff. It is generally 150% the price of others, but all other attributes are A+++.
2. Alliant Sport Pistol. This has many, many endearing qualities. Works well with coated bullets. This is possibly the best new powder introduced in the last 3 years.

Primers
• Primers are an area of some uncertainty. If you have firing pin, hammer, or hammer spring mods then the safest #1 primer is always Federal #100 due to its thin cup. These always ignite on the first strike.

• From there it's probably easier to tell you 'what not to buy'. So the third tier primer is CCI with it's hard to ignite thick cup. You will have problems with these in competition IF you have the aforementioned hammer mods.

Second tier would be Winchester, Fiocchi, Remington, and a whole raft of moderately priced/ middle of the road primers. Where you might buy name brand for competition, and take advantage of the highly discounted brands you never heard of for practice.


Hope this helps.  ;)


** Dillon dies don't really have a good way to handle seating of conical bullets such as Hornady XTP & HAP, or the PD JHP. I make these for forum members and you can contact me privately if this is a need.
« Last Edit: January 24, 2020, 08:31:12 AM by Wobbly »
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Re: Let’s talk components shopping list
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2020, 09:46:43 AM »
Thank you Wobbly!

Funny enough - I have been lurking posts from you and RowdyB on Enos forum for quite some time. Great advice and much appreciated.

Also- My Shadow 2 is bone stock - I want to get a full competition year in before considering a trigger job
 



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Re: Let’s talk components shopping list
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2020, 10:47:46 AM »
Also- My Shadow 2 is bone stock - I want to get a full competition year in before considering a trigger job.


I'm not a CZ model specialist by any means, but I know that some models come with reduced spring weights and lighter hammers out of the box. Compare the specs on the Shadow 2 against the SP01, which is what I consider a good "base line" model.
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Re: Let’s talk components shopping list
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2020, 01:05:44 PM »
Thank you Wobbly!

Funny enough - I have been lurking posts from you and RowdyB on Enos forum for quite some time. Great advice and much appreciated.

Also- My Shadow 2 is bone stock - I want to get a full competition year in before considering a trigger job

Welcome to the world of CZ and reloading.

I also have a shadow 2 I use in competition for USPSA’s Carry Optics division. I started in production but my vision had deteriorated significantly and anything 3 feet or less is very blurry. I had my shadow 2 milled by Primary Machine and it turned out really nice.

I had installed the following parts on my shadow 2 to maximize its potential. I just have to do my part ;D.
- CGW competition hammer
- CGW adjustable sear
- CGW 10X bushing
- 10# recoil spring
- 11.5# main spring
- reduced trigger return spring
- reduced firing pin spring
- CGW extended firing pin
- modified trigger
- short reset disconnector
- Taran Tactical +4 basepad
- Grams engineering springs and followers to allow 22+1 in mag

I also polish the internal using Professor Atlas polishing tutorial. My DA is 5# 4.3 oz while SA is 1# 9.9 oz.

Like wobbly stated, Precision Delta is the way to go since you shoot a lot. It’s my go to bullet and I buy in bulk to save some money. In fact, I bought two packages of 3600 pieces of their 124 Gr JHP during their Black Friday sales since they had. 15% off. I’m also using Alliant Sport pistol. It’s very clean burning and I consider it the poor man’s VV N320. I had also used RMR’ match winner 124 Gr bullets before with great results.

« Last Edit: January 25, 2020, 05:01:33 PM by George16 »

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Re: Let’s talk components shopping list
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2020, 11:14:22 PM »
George16 - solid build!  I tend to lean towards stock-Ish guns because no matter how hard I try they still outshoot me.

Two votes for Precision, N320 and Alliant Sport Pistol.