First gun shadow 2

[George16]

There is no perfect One gun solution.  The shadow 2 is great for the range and competition.  It wouldn’t be my first choice for self defense. I certainly wouldn’t carry it EDC... way to big and heavy.
For HD, I’d rather have a shortie shotgun, SBR or a striker fire gun with a red dot.

I'm starting this think this way. I might just get the shadow 2 for the range and a shotgun or glock for the house.

I agree with you 100%. But shotgun instead of glock 

[timmy75]

it is not that bad to have s2 for first and home defense gun BUT train a lot with it.
after hundreds and thousands rounds I had ND lowering hammer. sweaty hands, hammer in gun oil, talking with friend, boom.
I am very happy it was not at the match or home.

[ck1]

I understand all the points you brought up. Now I'm debating buying a shotgun for home defense and using this at the range. As far as drops are concerned everything ive read on that makes it sound like it takes a decent drop, muzzle down on a hard service. Just curioys is ad happens often this way or if it's a perfect storm scenario.

I’m not really trying to talk you out of the S2, it’s a great gun and doubt you’ll regret it at all. Just remember that it’s designed as a badass competition pistol, so the learning curve as far as safe handling is just going to be steeper is all.
You’re exactly right about a “perfect storm” scenario as far as a drop, they’re safe, just be mindful is all because worst-case it is a possibility.

Glocks can be unforgiving too, and most shotguns aren’t drop-safe either. Whatever you get, just treat it with respect and train with it and you’ll be fine.

Also FWIW/FYI, if you end up getting an S2, when lowering the hammer on a live round remember it’s not a race and there are no “cool points” for lowering it with just your strong-hand and thumbing it down one-handed... most including myself who’ve been shooting them for years still pinch/grab the hammer with our off-hand and lower it that way, sure beats chancing a broken thumb lol.

[Chef1515]

Theres not a chance in hell id be lowering it one handed lol. I have an upmost respect for guns and appreciate all the responses. I would only do it two handed. I would pull back on the hammer with my strong hand, bring it all the way back, squeeze trigger with gun facing in safe direction, then slowly lower the hammer. I am rather ocd (im a chef) and I want to take no chances with safety.

[falar]

Gotcha. I've watched videos on that. Is it really a big deal to use a gun in single action mode for self defense? Im reading the trigger pull is 3.75 lbs where as its not ideal to go under 4 for home defense. Is it really that noticeable. I feel trigger discipline will be more important in this scenario.

While I think it's not a bad idea to just go whole hog and get a Shadow 2 as your first handgun if you have the means (it is arguably THE best out of the box 9mm on the planet after all). That said, you really do have to realize picking it that it was designed for experienced users and thus isn't going to be as friendly or kind to a new user; the single-action pull is light, and manually lowering the hammer into double-action on a live round after you load it (while not hard) can be unforgiving/dangerous if one doesn't know what they're doing or giving it proper respect. (It's not just chance that DA/SA guns that one has to lower the hammer manually are pretty few and far between; they're more difficult to operate safely than Decocker or DAO guns in exchange for the reward of getting a better/simpler trigger pull design.)

Theoretically, a single-action gun for self-defense isn't a "big deal"; however, for an inexperienced user it could be a huge, possibly deadly deal... I could write a chapter on why a single-action gun for self-defense probably isn't a good idea for a newbie (i.e. from forgetting to swipe off the safety under stress to having a negligent discharge due to the light single-action pull, etc)...

If you're planning on using the S2 for self-defense in a home defense scenario you realistically should know that the safest way to do that will be manually lowering the hammer after loading, and then if SHTF, shooting from the heavier/arguably-safer double-action first shot... and being mindful that there is no firing pin block safety in an S2, so if you can manage, you're probably not going to want to drop it ;-)

I'm not saying don't get it... but, I think I'm trying to come from the point of view of like how I would if someone told me they wanted to buy a 1000cc motorcycle for their fist bike: it can be done, and it might not kill you, but you better respect what you're getting into.

Just my $0.02.

It is a great value and so is the S1 (recently on sale at CZC for just 750!!) especially when you compare to other all-metal feature rich guns.

[Chef1515]

How do you guys feel about a cz p10c as a home defense gun? Reliable, cheap and supposedly a great trigger.