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Offline sierra11b

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Picture request: The internals of your re-finished CGWs
« on: April 18, 2020, 03:57:09 PM »
CGW has a lot of beautiful and interestingly finished guns on their FB page, but you don't seem many shots on what the internals look like, and I'd like to see some shots of internals in DLC and Hard Chrome.

Why? Because I'm still torn on how to have my upcoming 97B"E" refinished later this year.

Options I'm considering in order:

1) Reverse Two-tone (Hard Chrome slide, Hard Chrome controls, DLC frame, DLC barrel) *possibly HCing the aluminum grips if possible?

2) NP3+ Two tone (NP3+ Frame and barrel, DLC slide and controls)

3) Hard Chrome frame & slide with controls and barrel done in DLC

Here's some shots of my recently completed NP3+ cajunized SP01... I'm hoping members here can post similar shots of HC and DLC:





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Re: Picture request: The internals of your re-finished CGWs
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2020, 05:10:37 AM »
Do not use NP3 on a barrel, use chromium nitride, it is far superior in terms of hardness and longevity

As for DLC, it will look different depending on thickness as well as surface finish, but is usually just a semi-gloss dark grey, but can be shiny black if thicker on a naturally shiny surface

I would look into titanium-aluminum-nitride for a slide if you want something unique

Offline sierra11b

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Re: Picture request: The internals of your re-finished CGWs
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2020, 09:49:50 AM »
There doesn’t seem to be much information on those coatings being used on firearms, or if CGW and their partners even offer them?

Man, all the coating options have gotten confusing. Np3+ seems to being working fine on my current barrel, but I’m intrigued buy the coatings mentioned in your post.

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Re: Picture request: The internals of your re-finished CGWs
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2020, 07:42:47 PM »
NP3 and derivatives are basically PTFE infused Nickel-Phosphorous, the nickel makes it hard, the phosphorous makes it corrosion resistant, and the PTFE gives it low friction... but also makes it wear faster and have lower temperature stability.

NP3 is good for the outside of the barrel (not great), but not good for the inside, since it will wear faster when exposed to the combustion gasses and bullet friction. NP3 is used on a lot of firearms parts, primarily where you want low friction and corrosion resistance, but where heat or hard wear is not a problem. The PTFE also makes it less likely to chip. Think magazines, safeties, hammers, disconnectors, firing pin blocks.

For a pistol barrel with standard civilian round counts it will probably be fine in terms of wear, but it is a no-go on rifle barrels for sure.

Chromium Nitride is like hard chrome, but is twice as hard and a has lower friction, and VERY high temperature stability, making it optimal for barrels. It is also applied in a manner that does not reduce accuracy, unlike chrome plating.

DLC or TaC is very hard and very low friction, but I believe it is more likely to chip, and since it is carbon, a microscopically thin layer can actually oxidize over time or at high temperatures. My AR bolt carrier and firing pin are DLC coated.

Offline sierra11b

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Re: Picture request: The internals of your re-finished CGWs
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2020, 11:31:28 PM »
So does CGW offer Chromium Nitride?

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Re: Picture request: The internals of your re-finished CGWs
« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2020, 03:19:14 AM »
Unknown, I would ask, they use 3rd parties for coating/plating services. Their services list may far exceed those listed by CGW.

Also keep in mind other surface treatment properties, DLC tends to show fingerprints quite well, I would not use that on a side, but it would be fine on controls

Offline sierra11b

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Re: Picture request: The internals of your re-finished CGWs
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2020, 10:01:40 AM »
I’ll wait to ask when they tell me they’re ready.

What about armor lube? Seems like a harder/more durable alternative to NP3 except in black.

Thinking of doing the entire gun in armor lube with copper TiN controls and barrel. Looks classy without being too loud. There’s this exact gun on their Facebook page