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Offline kyron4

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Steel case ammo hard to load in CZ mags ?
« on: May 12, 2020, 11:51:30 PM »
Ran some steel Russian 9mm through my EVO the other day and boy was it hard to get those last 10 rounds loaded. Even the Maglula struggled. Brass cased loaded much smoother. Has anyone else noticed this ?

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Re: Steel case ammo hard to load in CZ mags ?
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2020, 07:51:04 AM »
Nope never noticed because I won't buy that stuff. Buy better quality ammo or get into reloading your own. The steel stuff loads harder because there's more friction between the rounds and within the mag. Think about what tha friction could be doing as those rounds cycle through the action of the pistol.
I had a shooting buddy years back who ran 5000 rnds of Wolf steel cased ammo through a Springfield Armory 1911. I wish I had picks of it but the gist is that steel cased ammo had started to errode the breach face of that pistol pretty badly. I load my own ammo and if I buy any factory stuff it's brass cased.

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Re: Steel case ammo hard to load in CZ mags ?
« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2020, 08:08:04 AM »
You'll have a difficult time finding anybody here that advocates for using steel cased 9mm ammo. Short of a shtf scenario, I'd never run that crap in any of my guns, even my lone glock.

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Re: Steel case ammo hard to load in CZ mags ?
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2020, 08:51:11 AM »
Pretty much the same as above.

Yes, I can see having some on hand where you need a sidearm load to use deep in the woods or other places where picking up your brass is impossible or impractical. But as a general day-to-day diet... no way.

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Re: Steel case ammo hard to load in CZ mags ?
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2020, 08:53:49 PM »
loads just fine in the mags for the vz 82, almost like it was designed for it
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Re: Steel case ammo hard to load in CZ mags ?
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2020, 09:37:51 PM »
loads just fine in the mags for the vz 82, almost like it was designed for it
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Re: Steel case ammo hard to load in CZ mags ?
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2020, 09:58:49 PM »
Oh dear, does this mean I'll have to throw away the case of Wolf ammo I've got in my stash?

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Re: Steel case ammo hard to load in CZ mags ?
« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2020, 11:54:15 PM »
The problem I have with steel case ammo is that I nor anyone will pick it up the cases when you leave it at the range.  At least if you shoot brass cased ammo and leave it behind someone will show up and pick it up later.  Just today I picked up about 100 pieces of 5.56 and 50 9mm while out shooting my load development.

Really you should leave the range better than you arrived.  It is really a shame how folks think ranges are dumps for all their trash they bring out to shoot.

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Re: Steel case ammo hard to load in CZ mags ?
« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2020, 07:02:32 AM »
The problem I have with steel case ammo is that I nor anyone will pick it up the cases when you leave it at the range.  At least if you shoot brass cased ammo and leave it behind someone will show up and pick it up later.  Just today I picked up about 100 pieces of 5.56 and 50 9mm while out shooting my load development.

Really you should leave the range better than you arrived.  It is really a shame how folks think ranges are dumps for all their trash they bring out to shoot.

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Re: Steel case ammo hard to load in CZ mags ?
« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2020, 07:15:23 AM »
Have you tried waxing the insides (and outsides for that matter) of your magazines?

Disassemble the mags, degrease the inside/outside, apply a coat of automobile wax, let dry, buff it off and repeat.  The surface will be slicker.  And more protected from moisture/sweat than just from oil alone.

Not my idea, got it here, tried it, it works.

Mine isn't a need to make it slicker but it still does that.  My need/desire was to do more to insure the magazine didn't rust on me.  I come in from yard work and the sweat (or rain, or back splash from the high pressure washer) has moisture beaded up on the magazine in the pistol and in the mag. pouch on my other side.  I'd have to dry them off good and reapply a coat of oil with the trusty old oily rag I wipe guns down with.  After waxing (2 coats with Nufinish car wax - other brands would work fine, I just happened to have some of that in the mud room) I come in from outside, remove the magazines and wipe them off with a paper towel and they are streak free and shine like a new out of the wrap magazine.  No rust all summer and no oiling of the magazines for the P01.  Yeah, still hade to wipe the gun down with the oil rag.

Try some wax on one magazine and see if it makes it easier to load.  It does with blued magazines and brass cased ammo.
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Re: Steel case ammo hard to load in CZ mags ?
« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2020, 08:22:24 AM »
Have you tried waxing the insides and outsides of your magazines?


You can have it commercially done for you.

I see lots of advertising locally for shops that provide this service.

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Re: Steel case ammo hard to load in CZ mags ?
« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2020, 08:30:51 PM »
Have you tried waxing the insides and outsides of your magazines?


You can have it commercially done for you.

I see lots of advertising locally for shops that provide this service.




looks like she only does Taurus mags
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Re: Steel case ammo hard to load in CZ mags ?
« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2020, 07:14:33 AM »
Ran some steel Russian 9mm through my EVO the other day and boy was it hard to get those last 10 rounds loaded. Even the Maglula struggled. Brass cased loaded much smoother. Has anyone else noticed this ?

i have a 1,000 rnds of Wolf steel case, 115 gr. shot off 100 rnds in my CZ, and 100 rnds, in my Glock. worked flawlessly. loaded the mags with my magula, no issues.

however, my Canik does not like shooting the steel casings.

i'll be buying MUCH more Wolf ammo in the future, since is for the range only.
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