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Offline Sean32817

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7.62x25 JHP for the CZ-52 - is there any for sale anywhere?
« on: March 18, 2021, 11:29:45 PM »
In light of how crazy 2020 was and 2021 is looking to be, combined with the fact that said crazies are beginning to wear body armor, I'm seriously considering carrying my CZ-52 again, however, in light of it's well known issues with going through soft targets like a laser, I'm looking to score a box of JHP for the primary load, with the military steel core for the back up magazine.

Trick is that everywhere I'm looking is saying out of stock or discontinued, leaving me wondering if it's no longer made anymore or simply as tough to find as any other type of ammo.

So finding some 7.62x25 JHP is my first priority.

For bonus points, anyone know of anywhere selling the "blue tip" tracer/incendiary rounds?

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Re: 7.62x25 JHP for the CZ-52 - is there any for sale anywhere?
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2021, 08:41:17 PM »
Have you consulted Ammoseek.Com ??

https://ammoseek.com/
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Re: 7.62x25 JHP for the CZ-52 - is there any for sale anywhere?
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2021, 10:12:50 PM »
I had the right to remain silent...

but not the ability.

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Re: 7.62x25 JHP for the CZ-52 - is there any for sale anywhere?
« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2021, 10:29:14 PM »
 That's probably going to be a very tough thing to find. Even a couple years ago when most ammo was everywhere and cheap getting just FMJ was pretty spotty in that caliber. Though that was as a dealer buying in bulk. Typically the only new stuff would be PPU. It would come in big batches and there would be lots of it, but then long dry spells when you couldn't find any. While I know PPU makes, or at least made, HPs in that caliber I don't recall any of my distributors ever having any. Add in the current ammo situation in general...you're honestly probably better off switching to a 5.7x28 option for something like that. Though I'd still rather have a modern design loaded with modern JHPs (9mm, .40. 45 in HST, GDot, Ranger-T, etc) than a 52 with anything, body armor or not.

 I've worked with, and currently work with, a lot of people (Mil and LE) that carry handguns as a primary weapon and none of them are using a 7.62x25 even though opponents with body armor is a consideration...that's not a coincidence.

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Re: 7.62x25 JHP for the CZ-52 - is there any for sale anywhere?
« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2021, 06:07:40 AM »
When those guns first hit the US shores it was a fun caliber to play with given the readily available cheaply priced mil-surp ammo but that is long gone now. PPU did make new ammo and so did Winchester at one point but it wasn't exactly cheap to buy. I doubt it will be easy to acquire anything for it at this point but you may run into some on GB or Arms list but be prepared to pay.
Personally for a handgun I'll stick with the popular and readily available calibers and I have plenty of 9mm around. If your worried about body armor you should be thinking rifle calibers for that matter even if it doesn't penetrate a 12 ga slug center mass is going to take an armored assailant offline for a good while.

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Re: 7.62x25 JHP for the CZ-52 - is there any for sale anywhere?
« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2021, 10:06:43 AM »
That's probably going to be a very tough thing to find. Typically the only new stuff would be PPU. It would come in big batches and there would be lots of it, but then long dry spells when you couldn't find any.

This is because factory ammo is not made like home-loaded ammo. Even BIG ammo factories have only a limited number of machines, and they must be kept busy. So they calculate (based on last year's demand) how much they can sell. With a lot of calibers, that adds up to only a small percentage of the machine's annual production time. For most calibers, that might be something like only 300-400 hours. So when they set up the machine to load that caliber, they only run the machine a limited time. Even the total annual sales for a popular cartridge, like 380Auto, can be finished in weeks.

So an entire year's production is made in a single run of (say) 300 hours. Then the product is placed in a warehouse and offered to distributors. Once that's gone, then that's all the ammo that's going to be made until that date rolls around again the following year.

Several things can happen...
- What if the factory sold 200 cases of 7.62x25 last year, but then an importer brings in a one-time buy of 600 cases from South Africa. Sales of the American made ammo would suffer. The factory would then say, "We've been selling 200 cases for the last 10 years, but last year we only sold 100. Sales must be dropping off. Let's only make 80 cases this year." So in the following year with zero imports, there is even less ammo produced.

- The ammo factory sees that next year is an election year. Everyone expects the incumbent to win. Ammo sales will be brisk, but there will be enough. Then, the triple whammy hits: national media demands everyone stay home with a mask (unless you want to riot), people need to guard their toilet paper hoard, AND the incumbent looses. All 200 cases of 7.62x25 sell out within hours. The machine that normally makes your caliber is re-assigned to produce 9mm Luger indefinitely.

Bottom Line: You are at the mercy of bullet and cartridge factories that are currently ignoring any off-beat caliber. And now with mass ammo hysteria in force, even the foreign factories are only making what they know they can sell 30 seconds after it rolls off the production line. Namely: 9mm Luger and 223.

One path to assurance was to take up handloading... 3 years ago. Now that we're deep into the triple whammy, even that avenue has dried up. You might as well frame that handgun and hang it on the den wall. There won't be any new ammo, bullets or brass for that gun for at least 4 more years.

Brother, I'm not picking on you or 7.62x25 specifically. There are 2-3 dozen "popular" cartridges in the exact same boat. The good news is that the pendulum will swing the other way one day when the deer population bursts its boundaries and the in-town vegans start to loose their entire gardens. Then the progressives will take up hunting (at least from their back windows) and the system will right itself.

Just my 2 cents.
« Last Edit: March 20, 2021, 10:22:57 AM by Wobbly »
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Re: 7.62x25 JHP for the CZ-52 - is there any for sale anywhere?
« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2021, 06:21:17 PM »
Thanks for the feedback everyone.

Fortunately the CZ-52 isn't my only firearm - I was simply considering swinging it back into my conceal carry.

I'm in good shape for ammo at least as I had stocked up back in the day when people were practically paying you to take the 7.62x25 off their hands for them - I actually have more military surplus than I do indoor range safe stuff - was just hoping to see about scoring some JHP to expand the versatility of this wonderful firearm.

Hopefully things will calm down and nothing stupid happens, thus rendering this all moot - fingers crossed.