Europe only top cover mount?

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http://www.vz58rifle.com/products/duralovy-kryt-zaveru-sa-vz-58-dostupne-v-cervenci/

I suppose this is not available here?  Looks interesting.

Does it allow use of irons? Thanks.

[RSR]

Not with an optic installed.  W/o optic, may not allow irons to be visible at all settings, but should work if you set to longer ranges...  Just not as irons designed/configured.

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Not with an optic installed.  W/o optic, may not allow irons to be visible at all settings, but should work if you set to longer ranges...  Just not as irons designed/configured.

Thanks.  Just not much out there on some of these options.  I also assume we (US) cannot buy these. 

[Grizzled]

Take a look at Magwedge.  They make a top rail for the VZ58.  I have one on mine and it worked well for the RDS I had mounted. I'm replacing the RDS with a prism sight, so not sure how well that will work.  I don't see it being a problem, though. The install replaces the rear sight, so you will either have to forgo irons or use the groove in the rail as a rudimentary rear sight.  I guess you could also mount flip-up sights.

https://www.magwedge.com/product/cz-858-tactical-rail/

[briang2ad]

No interest in solutions which preclude iron use - especially those that preclude irons even with the optic removed. 

The one I posted is at least interesting. 

[RSR]

No interest in solutions which preclude iron use - especially those that preclude irons even with the optic removed. 

The one I posted is at least interesting.

Grizzled was trying to be helpful.  The one you posted also precludes proper iron use given no apparent center scallop.

Sounds like the Vz58 might not be for you unless you want to mount your stock much lower than normal.

[briang2ad]

I assume Grizzled was trying to be helpful - but his solution aggravated the problem.  No disrespect meant by me - just the facts. 

Any solution that takes away the use of irons is bad - period - unless you are using the rifle only as a range toy or hunting rifle (both valid uses).

Cowitness is better but NOT necessary in my book.  If I can mount a quick detach mount and still use irons when not attached you have a valid solution.  I just think people are naive and can mislead others into false confidence in optics.  I assume there MAY be a few people on these boards who might have to one day use their rifle in a dire circumstance and we don't do them justice not pointing out the gross shortcomings of certain systems.

I like the VZ 58 for a number of reasons, and like that there are some 'new' options out there - why I started the thread. 

I'm just willing to deal honestly with its shortcomings and look for work arounds. (I'm at least consistent and willingly criticize Czech designs even when I think they are excellent weapons). 

[Grizzled]

No interest in solutions which preclude iron use - especially those that preclude irons even with the optic removed. 

The one I posted is at least interesting.

As I mentioned, the Magwedge has a groove down the middle that serves as a rear sight in a pinch.  You can probably add a low profile rear sight that will work with the front sight, if so desired.  HTA makes a low mount picatinny sight that uses Glock sights. It *may* work, haven't tested it.  The U notch is sufficient enough for me.  Both give you a much longer sight radius as compared to the stock sight.  And honestly, if you can't get the job done with either, I don't know what to tell ya.

I also mounted a 45 degree adapter and installed a SeeAll Tritium Micro Rail Sight.  Weighs nothing, no batteries, and gives me a quick CQB option. So now I have PA 1x micro prism (etched reticle, so batteries die, it still works), usable rear sight rail, and CQB offset sight.  I think I have all my bases covered.  Will know for sure once I get it out to the range and test the new PA prism sight.

Honestly, the VZ doesn't need any of that, but I like to tinker.  I've been using mine in two and three gun competitions for years.  Sometimes it was with irons only, other times it was with a RDS mounted to a Bonesteel upper handguard rail.  Easily hit targets out to 300 yds.

[briang2ad]

No interest in solutions which preclude iron use - especially those that preclude irons even with the optic removed. 

The one I posted is at least interesting.

As I mentioned, the Magwedge has a groove down the middle that serves as a rear sight in a pinch.  You can probably add a low profile rear sight that will work with the front sight, if so desired.  HTA makes a low mount picatinny sight that uses Glock sights. It *may* work, haven't tested it.  The U notch is sufficient enough for me.  Both give you a much longer sight radius as compared to the stock sight.  And honestly, if you can't get the job done with either, I don't know what to tell ya.

I also mounted a 45 degree adapter and installed a SeeAll Tritium Micro Rail Sight.  Weighs nothing, no batteries, and gives me a quick CQB option. So now I have PA 1x micro prism (etched reticle, so batteries die, it still works), usable rear sight rail, and CQB offset sight.  I think I have all my bases covered.  Will know for sure once I get it out to the range and test the new PA prism sight.

Honestly, the VZ doesn't need any of that, but I like to tinker.  I've been using mine in two and three gun competitions for years.  Sometimes it was with irons only, other times it was with a RDS mounted to a Bonesteel upper handguard rail.  Easily hit targets out to 300 yds.

Actually this is very interesting.  Thanks for posting the follow up.  I suppose the forward rail can cowitness a micro with the grooved 'rear sight'?  That might be a pretty good deal.  Also makes the LPVO much easier.

[Grizzled]

No interest in solutions which preclude iron use - especially those that preclude irons even with the optic removed. 

The one I posted is at least interesting.

As I mentioned, the Magwedge has a groove down the middle that serves as a rear sight in a pinch.  You can probably add a low profile rear sight that will work with the front sight, if so desired.  HTA makes a low mount picatinny sight that uses Glock sights. It *may* work, haven't tested it.  The U notch is sufficient enough for me.  Both give you a much longer sight radius as compared to the stock sight.  And honestly, if you can't get the job done with either, I don't know what to tell ya.

I also mounted a 45 degree adapter and installed a SeeAll Tritium Micro Rail Sight.  Weighs nothing, no batteries, and gives me a quick CQB option. So now I have PA 1x micro prism (etched reticle, so batteries die, it still works), usable rear sight rail, and CQB offset sight.  I think I have all my bases covered.  Will know for sure once I get it out to the range and test the new PA prism sight.

Honestly, the VZ doesn't need any of that, but I like to tinker.  I've been using mine in two and three gun competitions for years.  Sometimes it was with irons only, other times it was with a RDS mounted to a Bonesteel upper handguard rail.  Easily hit targets out to 300 yds.

Actually this is very interesting.  Thanks for posting the follow up.  I suppose the forward rail can cowitness a micro with the grooved 'rear sight'?  That might be a pretty good deal.  Also makes the LPVO much easier.

The top of the groove is level with the rest of the rail, so you can use it with the irons.  If you mount a micro red dot on the forward rail of the Magwedge, you will probably need a low profile picatinny rear sight.  I don't have a free RDS or rear sight available right now, otherwise I'd test it.  Once we get through the holidays I can try that config.

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What is the 'weight cost' of this system.  Are the front rails/handguards available?  Thanks.

[Grizzled]

What is the 'weight cost' of this system.  Are the front rails/handguards available?  Thanks.

The front rail that sits where the rear sight used to is integrated into the Magwedge rail.  It also includes a side rail in the kit.  The Bonesteel upper handguard I have was acquired from CNC Warrior - https://www.cncwarrior.com/product-p/24838.htm

[Scorepion]

No interest in solutions which preclude iron use - especially those that preclude irons even with the optic removed. 

The one I posted is at least interesting.

Brian- You probably considered this but would a QD mounted optic, or QD rail meet this problem half way for you? Just throw a lever if irons are being blocked? Not sure if that helps at all but i settled for this on an AK.

[briang2ad]

Yes in  way.

I actually have an ARMS mount on the MD 25, BUT... when I detach and attach, it does NOT return to zero - I can take off the whole rail and reinstall with little or no shift.

[CTGuy]

A good old RS Reg mount or forward-mounted dot is hard to beat. I don’t know if I’d trust that mount.