My job hates this forum...

[armoredman]

I mean, I can get on any other gun forum in the country, (no other countries allowed, either), but this one keeps getting blocked. The worst thing is I am the boss on the night crew...oh well.
So, we have all heard of the wonderful hero in Indiana - without delving too deep into the great kids actions, I have seen it proposed for shooting drills in two different fashions. Also, the distance was confirmed by a retired LE friend of mine as 43 yards - we'll rope that down to 40 for simplicity.

The first, the Eli Drill, is a static drill on a multiple person range. Standard B-27 target at 40 yards, shooter starts facing the target with hands at sides. To reflect the skinny nature of the murdering scumbag, you CAN tape up the sides of the target, and anything outside the 8 ring on the sides do not count. Alternative is IDPA target. Sidearm must be your regular concealed carry pistol, or what you WOULD use for CCW if you don't carry yet, (Why not? Do it), under whatever normal every day concealing garment you use - if you don't wear a photographers vest everywhere, don't use it on this one. At the buzzer, draw and fire 10 rounds, within fifteen seconds. To pass you must have 8 hits with at least one 9 or 10 ring/A Zone hit.

For a dynamic range, Eli's Nightmare, set up three obstacles forward of the 40 yard position, tall enough that they can be easily seen. These simulate innocent bystanders - be creative. Shooter starts facing the target at the 40. At the buzzer, draw and fire one round. Shooter then moves forward between the obstacles while shouting "get out, get out", and close to 35 yards. Same time constraints, 15 seconds for 10 rounds, same scoring level.

Bonus level for either - start with holding a big cookie in your primary hand - Eli was at a cookie shop when it went down.

When I get my gumption up my son and I will take our CZ P-10s down to the range and at least try the static drill. It is funny how we've been told our whole lives to not practice beyond 25 yards, and there is the unicorn.

Observations, suggestions?

[CZ_FANATIC]

Eli is a heck of a shot. I'll have to break out my shot timer and try the Eli Drill. I might cheat a little and use my TSO. 
The word is that Eli used a Glock, has anyone heard which model?

[Claymore504]

That event in Indiana mall has really made me think about my training. That guy connecting on 8 out of 10 shots at that distance is outstanding. Very glad that he was there to take action.

[AZ_CZ]

I use to send a mag or 2 down to the 50 yard target (22”x16”) after shooting my 22 rifles. Wasn’t terrible with a full size or compact but was lucky to get 2 / 10 with the little subcompacts. Gave it up when I couldn’t really see the target. Now I’m using a RDS going to have to give it a go.

[Skookum]

Uvalde Police Criticize Indiana Mall Armed Citizen For Not Waiting Around Outside For An Hour
Jul 18, 2022 - BabylonBee.com

UVALDE, TX — After an armed private citizen bravely stopped a mass shooting at an Indiana mall, the Uvalde Police Department in Texas issued a statement of condemnation, criticizing the citizen for not waiting outside for an hour.

"This is exactly why we can't have armed citizens taking the law into their own hands," said Uvalde CISD Police Chief Pete Arredondo. "We professionals know that the correct procedure is to mill around the hallway and sanitize your hands, or wait outside for an hour until the shooting stops before going in. That's the only way you can ensure nothing bad or dangerous will ever happen to you. Who does this so-called 'good Samaritan' think he is?"

The owners of Greenwood Park Mall in Indiana also criticized the armed citizen for carrying a concealed handgun even though doing so is against the mall's code of conduct. "He broke our mall's code of conduct! Is nothing sacred anymore?" said Simon Malls district manager Reginald Peasley. "We have trusted police officers to take care of this stuff for us!"

At publishing time, Texas Governor Greg Abbot invited the "good Samaritan" to Texas to replace the entire Uvalde Police Department.

–https://babylonbee.com/news/uvalde-police-criticize-indiana-mall-armed-citizen-for-not-waiting-around-outside-for-an-hour

[M1A4ME]

I heard/read that hit the guy with 8 of the 10 shots he fired.

Was the guy standing there for 10 shots?

Did he shoot the guy some after he fell to the floor?

Were the two missed shots due to the guys suddenly dropping after the 8th shot?

I hope there are some videos that come out on this one.

Great shooting.  Curious about the caliber/bullet type/brand.

I've said it before, if I ever have to shoot someone 8 times to put them down I'm never carrying that caliber/pistol again.

[skin]

 Not wanting to get something started. Pistol calibers are marginal at regular combat range. At 40 + yards it's less. I can see why it took 8 rounds to stop the bad guy.
 I know you have to work with what you have and be prepared for anything.
 My hat is off for the hero for getting into the fight and doing such a great job under a super stressful situation.

[armoredman]

Caliber was 9mm, sidearm was a Glock 19, 10 rounds fired, so he did not mag dump. Also now hearing he went to cover when he started shooting. I would love to see the video, (mall food court, TONS of cameras), when they get around to releasing it. From what I could see from the crime scene photo that did leak, yes, the criminal was just standing there spraying away, fired 24 rounds out his AR in that 15 seconds, murdering three people before Eli dropped him like a bad habit.

[fbama73]

  So, I live about ten miles from the mall where that happened. Also, that mall was THE place to hangout as a teenager in the 1980's- I spent WAY too much time there. Having had my own feet in the place where both of them stood makes what Eli did INCREDIBLY impressive to me.

  And yes, it's changing my training techniques. The wife decided this year to get her own pistol and CCW, and I've been working with her a lot. I've always trained with her at 10 yards, with the thought "any distance greater than that, and you have better options than firing."

  That's changing. Definitely working in some longer distance stuff, too. 

 

[Grendel]

I know we're all gun guys and girls, but I really wish we didn't give these stories oxygen. Sure, it was a good shot and a righteous shoot, but the douche who murdered those people doesn't need any publicity at all.

By all means practice a bit of long range shooting, but let's not connect it in any way to this murderer, even at second hand.

There's a reason I ditched the first thread on this subject. There are plenty of places to discuss this incident elsewhere.

[CZ_FANATIC]

Eli is a Hero that stopped Evil. Colonel Jeff Cooper Would be proud.