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Easier dococker to manipulate: p-01 vs p-01 omega vs p-07?
« on: October 15, 2022, 10:02:13 PM »
For smaller hands (and given that I can't find either model to hold), what model do you find works better for smaller hands?  I keep reading pros/cons on each w/r to the Omega trigger, and that the Omega may have a larger print b/c of the ambi dococker, but my real question is whether the ergos on the Omega version are actually preferable for those with smaller hands, or whether it's best to stick with the standard model?

I'm contemplating picking up either a p-01 omega or p-07,  keeping it stock for a while, and then also getting a cajunized PCR.   
The p-07 may not be as great for smaller hands from what I read, even with the smaller grips installed.   But I read great things about how it shoots.

thoughts?

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Re: Easier dococker to manipulate: p-01 vs p-01 omega vs p-07?
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2022, 10:08:21 PM »
I prefer the decocker on the PCR/P-01 over the Omega setup.  The rear facing decocker is easier for me to reach and manipulate.

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Re: Easier dococker to manipulate: p-01 vs p-01 omega vs p-07?
« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2022, 08:27:52 AM »
I'm contemplating picking up either a p-01 omega or p-07,  keeping it stock for a while, and then also getting a Cajunized PCR.   
The p-07 may not be as great for smaller hands from what I read, even with the smaller grips installed. But I read great things about how it shoots.
'How it fits' your hands contributes directly to 'how it shoots'.

Buy the pistol that fits your hands 100% of the time... and then worry about the decocker you only use 5% of the time.
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Re: Easier dococker to manipulate: p-01 vs p-01 omega vs p-07?
« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2022, 11:49:19 AM »
I'm contemplating picking up either a p-01 omega or p-07,  keeping it stock for a while, and then also getting a Cajunized PCR.   
The p-07 may not be as great for smaller hands from what I read, even with the smaller grips installed. But I read great things about how it shoots.
'How it fits' your hands contributes directly to 'how it shoots'.

Buy the pistol that fits your hands 100% of the time... and then worry about the decocker you only use 5% of the time.

And there it is.  You won't be using the decocker till the trouble is past.  Or the group is already on the paper.
I just keep wasting time and money on other brands trying to find/make one shoot like my P07 and P09.  What is wrong with me?

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Re: Easier dococker to manipulate: p-01 vs p-01 omega vs p-07?
« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2022, 01:29:52 PM »
I'm contemplating picking up either a p-01 omega or p-07,  keeping it stock for a while, and then also getting a Cajunized PCR.   
The p-07 may not be as great for smaller hands from what I read, even with the smaller grips installed. But I read great things about how it shoots.
'How it fits' your hands contributes directly to 'how it shoots'.

Buy the pistol that fits your hands 100% of the time... and then worry about the decocker you only use 5% of the time.

Out of the box, I imagine the omega trigger and reach will fit my hands better.   
I'm leaning towards getting the Omega version and simply adding the ultra light kit from CGW, with some polishing, Dawson tritium sights, and changing out the grips. 
I think that's enough for now.  If, after putting 500-1000 rounds through it I find it's not for me, so be it. 

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Re: Easier dococker to manipulate: p-01 vs p-01 omega vs p-07?
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2022, 02:19:17 PM »
Out of the box, I imagine the omega trigger and reach will fit my hands better.   
I'm leaning towards getting the Omega version and simply adding the ultra light kit from CGW, with some polishing, Dawson tritium sights, and changing out the grips. 
I think that's enough for now.  If, after putting 500-1000 rounds through it I find it's not for me, so be it.
If you do all that and it's not for you, then I'll always have $150 sitting here waiting to buy it.

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Re: Easier dococker to manipulate: p-01 vs p-01 omega vs p-07?
« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2022, 03:01:00 PM »
If you do all that and it's not for you, then I'll always have $150 sitting here waiting to buy it.

 O0

lol-- duly noted.

I'm hoping/expecting to absolutely love it.      I'll start with the grips and then put in the ultra light kit in, and then decide on the sights.
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Re: Easier dococker to manipulate: p-01 vs p-01 omega vs p-07?
« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2022, 10:42:27 PM »
Good luck w/ the P01 Omega.  I have one and love it.  It has CGW’s pro pkg which made a good gun great.
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Re: Easier dococker to manipulate: p-01 vs p-01 omega vs p-07?
« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2022, 10:42:49 PM »
Manual of arms for Omega decocker is similar to other common pistols, especially Sigs.  Owning both CZs and classic Sigs, I prefer the Omega setup.

I am not aware of any modern and common firearm decocker that's analogous to the classic CZ decocker's location.  Cz52s' decocker was similar.  There might be others, but not recalling offhand...

Berettas might be the closest to that far rear, but they're slide mounted and otherwise still quite different.  Several decockers are like Berettas as well -- Bersa, Ruger, Walther, etc.

FN's modern hammer fired decockers are fairly rear as well.  H+K's looks similar but is further forward.

As said above, size the pistol to your hand first and worry about decocker location later.  Activating any decocker with your shooting thumb breaks your grip.

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Re: Easier dococker to manipulate: p-01 vs p-01 omega vs p-07?
« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2022, 10:55:33 PM »
*And actually for small hands, FN's modern hammer fired pistols -- FNX I think they're called -- are probably the easiest frame mounted decocker to manipulate that I'm aware of in 9mm+ calibers w/ adjustable/replaceable grip panels/backstraps.

Beretta's rotary barrel Storm (Px or something model) or the also rotary barrel and beretta copy Stoeger Cougar (IIRC, Beretta sold them the license or machinery or something simlar, not IP theft), are probably the lightest recoiling, small hand friendly, and easiest to activate slide mounted decocker options.  I think only the storm has adjustable grips.

The other option is obviously the classic CZ decockers, IF it fits your hands -- can adjust slightly w/ different grip panels, but less options than those with the integral adjustments.

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Re: Easier dococker to manipulate: p-01 vs p-01 omega vs p-07?
« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2022, 08:08:48 AM »
 Just for the heck of it, I tried my de-cocker guns to see which was easiest.
 Not the Sig P229-lol
 My HK USP wasnt bad, but the easiest and most ergonomic for me is the FN FNP (the model before the FNX)

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Re: Easier dococker to manipulate: p-01 vs p-01 omega vs p-07?
« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2022, 02:05:13 AM »
Just for the heck of it, I tried my de-cocker guns to see which was easiest.
 Not the Sig P229-lol
 My HK USP wasnt bad, but the easiest and most ergonomic for me is the FN FNP (the model before the FNX)

The FNX/FNP both have the decocker slightly further to the rear than the CZ P01 Omegas, while the standard P01 is further to the rear than the FNX/FNP...  The amount of grip I have to break for the P01 Omega is minimal vs classic Sigs, and I also think it's likely less than the FNX/FNP or standard P01.  Point being, the ergos of the Omega's decocker are quite good.

However, the length of pull on my P01 in both DA and SA seems longer than classic Sigs w/ standard triggers.  And I have roughly medium sized hands and large length fingers.

Point being, there are lot of things that matter to "fit" beyond just the decocker.

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Re: Easier dococker to manipulate: p-01 vs p-01 omega vs p-07?
« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2022, 12:49:10 AM »
As a Lefty, I can't imagine having guns with the best ergos.

Good luck with these issues.

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Re: Easier dococker to manipulate: p-01 vs p-01 omega vs p-07?
« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2022, 04:53:22 PM »
If I must vote, then the P-07.

For the times I manipulate the decocker, I have plenty of time, am completely relaxed, and am able to use both hands.
The decocker has no effect on my accuracy, reload time, or even my draw.
A decocker that is easy to manipulate just isn't very important to me.