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Offline Joe L

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A great day at 100 yards with the P-10S
« on: February 15, 2024, 08:43:20 PM »
Tuesday was warm up day for today's session.  I don't think I'll better this any time soon.  With the Tuesday trigger time and me cleaning off an ink smear on the red dot, today was great.  Little pistol still amazes me. 

https://youtu.be/37H2KeX3q_0

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CZ-75B 9mm and Kadet, 97B"E", two P-09's, P-07, P-10C, P-10F, P-10S, MTR

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Re: A great day at 100 yards with the P-10S
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2024, 04:07:05 AM »
Thanks sharing for these very interesting reports.


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Re: A great day at 100 yards with the P-10S
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2024, 06:49:56 AM »
Thanks for the reply. 

I've had three good weeks with the pistols after not shooting much in December and January.  As I get older, I keep thinking my skill level and eyesight are going to get me down.  But what I really needed was a few weeks of consistent visits to the range.  This is always what I need, regardless of age or infirmities, just a little practice. 

It was good to start with the P-09 that I got from 75Plus a decade ago, then move to the 97B for a week, before getting back to the modern polymer striker pistols like the P-10S.  I knew that if I could get a good result with the P-10S, the C and F versions would be a little less stressful and that my confidence level would return to normal. 

But four consecutive 5 shot groups under 7" at 100 yards with the subcompact pistol on the last target for the day was a very pleasant surprise.  Now that is a good day at the range.  And I had witnesses. 

Joe L
CZ-75B 9mm and Kadet, 97B"E", two P-09's, P-07, P-10C, P-10F, P-10S, MTR

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Re: A great day at 100 yards with the P-10S
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2024, 08:24:15 AM »
Do you think you can do better?

I mean, is further work/practice to maintain where you're at?  Or shrink the groups?  Or get a better idea of adjustments to get the POA/POI together more often? 

I think I remember you saying the Holosun had an inconsistent result on adjustments vs. where the bullet holes went on the target.  Or was that a different optic?

I know you're having fun, but sometimes getting better/more consistent is still "fun."
I just keep wasting time and money on other brands trying to find/make one shoot like my P07 and P09.  What is wrong with me?

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Re: A great day at 100 yards with the P-10S
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2024, 08:57:48 AM »
I see this kind of shooting and wonder if an aftermarket barrel is really necessary, especially for a gun intended for carry use.   It's obvious the OEM CZ barrels are capable of great accuracy if the shooter does their part.

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Re: A great day at 100 yards with the P-10S
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2024, 09:44:38 AM »
Do you think you can do better?

I mean, is further work/practice to maintain where you're at?  Or shrink the groups?  Or get a better idea of adjustments to get the POA/POI together more often? 

I think I remember you saying the Holosun had an inconsistent result on adjustments vs. where the bullet holes went on the target.  Or was that a different optic?

I know you're having fun, but sometimes getting better/more consistent is still "fun."

M1A4ME--Yes, I can get better.  What seems to happen with a little practice is that there are fewer and fewer bad shots over the course of an outing.  I get my trigger control back and sight placement better every shot.  So, I tend to measure consistency no only by group size but by the percentage of good shots relative to total shots fired.  Thursday was the first day in a long time that I didn't have any really bad shots.  On Tuesday, I had 16 out of 20 good shots and 4 bad ones and got worse on the second and third targets.  But there were some good shots. 

The sight adjustments are crude to begin with and the tiny mechanisms have backlash in them that makes repeatable results impossible.  At 100 yards, if I want to make a 4" adjustment to the group placement, I'm better off doing what I did on Thursday, just hold on a different spot and hope to be able to see it well enough to have a consistent result.  The blue square I added around the repair center target made this a little easier.  Removing the smudge on the sight front glass was the biggest help, in my opinion, as that allowed me to shoot the first 40 rounds in a fine group, just low right.  But ALL 60 shots on Tuesday were either on the repair center or on the blue tape, with no wild shots like I had on Tuesday. 

Holding for wind at 200 is something I have to do often in New Mexico.  On the first attempt at 200 yards 10 years ago, I held "one bull low" to get a good 4 shot group on paper after seeing the first shot was high.  So holding high left as shown in the video works fine, much better than making a 1 or 2 click adjustment in each direction and wasting another 10-20 rounds to come to some conclusion about whether that was a good move or not.  Holding always works, if the reference point is clear enough and well defined enough to allow repeatability. 

NETim--Regarding the barrels...

I have both aftermarket and factory barrels.  My P-09 has a factory barrel, as do my 97B"E" and this P-10S.  I have Primary Machine barrels in the P-10F and P-10C.  Obviously, the factory barrels are good.  The only reason I wanted to try the PM barrels is that they are easier to clean due to the smoother bores, and the chances are the fit will be a tiny bit tighter.  My P-10C was the only factory barrel that I think warranted replacement, and I'm not sure about it.  Both F barrels shoot fine, but I am very happy with the PM barrels.  One would think that, if an aftermarket barrel was really a big improvement it would show up at 100 and 200 yards, and I haven't seen that.  The CGW 10x bushings for the 75 pistols and the "E" bushing for the 97 are a different story.  Those changes definitely are noticeable first time out.  There is something to be said about the confidence level perhaps increasing with an aftermarket barrel, and even that may be helpful to some shooters.  My justification is simple--I like to try new stuff, and they didn't hurt a thing. 

For carry use, aftermarket barrels are overkill.  I would spend my time on ammo selection and sight zero rather than on aftermarket barrels.  And lots of range time.

Joe
CZ-75B 9mm and Kadet, 97B"E", two P-09's, P-07, P-10C, P-10F, P-10S, MTR