CZ P-10 F Competition-Ready trigger

[ppcgm]

I did a search and didn’t find any existing topics along this line, so here’s a newbie question for you more experienced CZ pistol owners.
 
My CZ P-10 F Competition-Ready just came home from the FFL on Friday and we had an IDPA match at one of the local ranges yesterday, so it hasn’t been to the range yet. But, the trigger is horrible. CZ says on their website that it breaks in to be better. But even if it does, how much better will it be ? This one is strictly for competition. Besides the three 19 round magazines that came with it, I’ve order three 21 rounders from Greg Cote and want to use it for both IDPA and USPSA. Will probably shoot a steel challenge match or two with it just to get used to the trigger and to transistions with the sights, though they’re so similar to what’s on my old XDm 5.25 that they already look good to me. Is anyone else using the CZ P-10 F Competition-Ready in similar fashion ? And if so, have you also shot an XDm with the Powder River trigger in it to compare to ? I took the pistol apart to look it over, get familiar with it, and put my own oil in it. And the trigger mechanism is definitely different from others I’ve had, but looks like it should be no more difficult to work on. Before tinkering with anything, I’ll take it to the range tomorrow and put some rounds through it to see what bullet weight it likes. CZ says it’s sighted in at 15 yards. But they don’t say with what bullet weight. 9mm at minor power is pretty consistent in velocity. But 115’s don’t shoot to the same point of impact as 124’s and 147’s are going to be way different. Any suggestions on that ?
 
Thanks in advance for the benefits of your experience.

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[Born2vette]

Those are factory fitted with an HB Industries trigger but not sure if they do anything with the striker spring.  You can get a striker spring set from HB and see if changing the spring weight helps any.  My P10C had a decent (for a striker fired pistol) trigger from the factory but I put the HBi trigger and medium weight striker spring and its pretty sweet IMHO. Not as nice as a well tuned SA trigger but as strikers go pretty nice.

https://hbindustries.net/store/shop/p10-reduced-weight-striker-spring-set/

[ppcgm]

At the range ... the trigger felt a lot better than it had in dry fire cycling it repeatedly. It's not as sweet as the Powder River trigger in my Xdm, but good enough that it didn't seem to interfere with accuracy or speed. What was slowing me down on followup shots though was really major muzzle flip with the factory 124's, significantly more than the same ammo in the XDm that will continue to serve in IDPA SSP. Kind of going off my own topic, are there replacement guide rods that allow for a variety of recoil spring weights available for this gun ? Now that all the magazines have arrived, I'll try 147 and 160 gr. bullets next time out. The plan for this gun is to replace my well worn and much loved .40 S&W 2011 in USPSA Limited class now that .40 caliber has kind of passed into being too 20th century, or something.

[Joe L]

Try Cajun Gun Works CGW for the guide rod and springs. 

Plunk test the 147 and 160 ammo before going to the range.  Either may be a problem with the CZ chamber dimensions. 

I have good accuracy results with 115 gr JHP from Atlanta Arms and IMI.  100 yard video from yesterday as an example.

https://youtu.be/1F00xdVy1xU

Enjoy your new firearm. 

Joe L

[ppcgm]

thanks, Joe ... good shooting by the way ! ... that looked a lot like my 25 yard group with the iron sights and the 124's ... thanks too for the heads up on the possible issue with the heavier bullets, I'll chamber check some before going to the range with them ... your muzzle flip looked a lot like what I was getting too, which seems excessive for anything I want to shoot IDPA or USPSA with, time and trigger time will tell ... so ... I've sent a query to Cajun Gun Works to ask about recoil springs and other parts for the P10 F Competition model ... and the heavier bullets, both handloads and factory rounds, chamber check smoothly and fall back out without resistance ... there won't be time to make another range trip with the gun before Saturday's USPSA match, but at the first opportunity ... it's too soon to complain too much, but that first range trip was a real disappointment for a supposedly match built factory gun.

[Joe L]

I have a pretty heavy recoil spring in my long distance gun on purpose, so you should be able to find a weaker spring to use with your chosen minor power factor ammo.  I also don't grip very tightly compared to run and gunners.  You should be able to get the muzzle flip about the same as any polymer frame gun.  I think.  Its been a few years since I did much run and gun 9mm pistol tuning. 

Joe

[Auslander]

In reference to your 21-rounders, mine wouldn’t fit the USPSA gauge. Had to go with a Hennings with a factory follower and spring.

Also, I have the P10F, not the longer slide competition model, but the Taylor Freelance brass grip helped bring the muzzle down to neutral without and other changes.  The longer slide may react differently.

I’m running 124’s at 1070+\-.  Rest of the gun is bone stock. My trigger smoothed out nicely at around 1000 rounds.


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[ppcgm]

I have not yet entirely given up hope. But, so far all but one of the sight manufacturers and the magazine release maker have referred me back to CZ. And CZ has only given me stone silence. So maybe they’re tired of hearing about their “Competition Ready” gun, not being match ready at all and has more problems than they’re prepared to try to deal with. Hopefully they’ll quit making the problem riddled thing and try to just forget it, leaving us owners out the purchase price and on our own to fix them, but not dumping more of them on an unsuspecting public. 
 
It’s a shame, my 452 was one of the best shooting guns I’ve ever owned, the 457 LUX is nearly as good. I love the 457 MTR and the 16.5” Varmint model in the At-One stock and shoot them all regularly in the area rifle matches. But if they won’t resolve the issues with this one, it’s my last CZ and I’ll be very vocal about why, to everyone who will listen.

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

Maybe call CZ and start a warranty claim and see how that pans out.

[ppcgm]

Calling them is apparently the only option now, because when you try to open a warranty request online, using the link on their website, you get:

"Search Search
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It looks like nothing was found at this location."
 
I’ll have to resort to the phone, when my wife’s ears and more clear speech is available to help, since with my hearing impairment, trying to carry on a telephone conversation is a pain, and that plus other issues compound to make my speech difficult to comprehend for especially anyone who didn’t grow up hearing deep South accented speech.
 
Meantime, I continue to try varying bullet weights at distances from 10 to 50 yards in hopes of unraveling what it might work with. The gun feels so good in my hand and handles so well that I really want it to work, which makes this all the more frustrating.