How to have a shorter reset on my TS 2 Orange?

[Pew-Shadow2-Pew]

My TS 2 orange has a long reset. Longer than my Shadow 2. How can i fix that?

[Andres B]

 Adjust the trigger screws.

[tdogg]

You'll have to explain what you mean by long reset?  The TS variants have SAO triggers and typically are very short and crisp.

If indeed your trigger setscrews are not adjusted properly you may experience extra trigger take up and overtravel but should not affect your reset.  Adjust the trigger using this procedure:  https://cdn1.cajungunworks.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/28155351/How-To-Adjusting-Trigger-Screws.pdf  The pretravel screw will need to be adjusted with the slide off (screw goes in from the top/back of the trigger) so it is a little more tedious to adjust (pulling the slide adjust and reinstalling to verify function, etc...).

Reset is controlled by the triggerbar slipping back over the sear leg and is the point you can fire the gun again when the trigger is pulled.  There isn't much to adjust and no way that I'm aware of to make it shorter.  The TS variants don't have firing pin blocks or disconnectors that you have to contend with while tuning/timing the gun.

I recently acquired my first 1911 a Ruger SR1911.  I've always heard that the 1911 trigger is the gold standard.  My TSO's have far superior triggers in both feel and travel.  I know, it's comparing a entry level gun to a race gun but I still expected more.  Eventually I will tune the SR1911 and make it magical.

Cheers,
Toby

[coolbox]

I inquired of David Schmeky at CGW about this many years ago. This is what he had to say:

I have thought about this topic.  I realize you want an ultra short reset on a SAO CZ.  To accomplish this, you would have to:

1) Reduce the thickness of the trigger bar where it makes initial contact with the sear pad
2) Reduce the thickness of the sear trigger bar pad

Both of these combined would produce a shorter reset.  I always start off with .005" increments (since this is usually safe), so .005" off the trigger bar, and .005" off the sear pad would actually be a .010" difference.  .010" would be quite noticeable on the reset.  You could go more until you hit the sweet spot, however, I know you're smart enough to know you can also go to far.

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[tdogg]

Removing material off the sear/triggerbar would also delay the break point as well.  Effectively moving the trigger rearward (think reach reduction) but I don't see how that would shorten the reset.  Everything would be moved rearward and thus the actual trigger movement from the point it breaks to the point it resets would be the same.  Maybe I'm missing something?

I think you would have to change trigger pin to triggerbar pin distance (on the trigger) to change the mechanical leverage to adjust the actual required trigger travel.  It's an interesting rotational kinematics question.  If you increased the pin spacing on the trigger, the angular rotation of the trigger being equal would translate to a larger linear displacement of the triggerbar.  Thus it would take less angular rotation of the trigger to cover the same linear distance of the triggerbar.

Cheers,
Toby

[coolbox]

Well, I had to look up the CZ75 schematics again.
It only makes sense to me if we visualise the reset motion, where after removing 0.010" of material, the reset point is reduced by the amount of material removed, meaning, the trigger bar now needs to move forward 0.010" less to allow the sear to reset. Hence reducing reset in the process.
The trigger break force or distance will not be effected by removing material in this region. But due to reduced thickness of sear and trigger bar mating surfaces, the distance that the trigger bar needs to move forward to allow the sear to reset is reduced. The pretravel screw will have to be adjusted to reduce the takeup slack though. However, i never tried this. Maybe someday I might

[Andres B]

 I am with Toby. By removing material you just move the trigger backward, everything else remaining the same.
 Changing leverage could work, tho... If such thing is physically possible. Should be at least trigger with changed point of trigger bar attachment.
 Not worth the effort IMHO.

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

The short reset kits that CGW produce do shorten reset a bit but I think what most really are after is that extremely short slack free reset like you get on a 1911 or some Sigs and Berettas with their srs kits. This I think is just mechanically not possible with the CZ lockwork. They are what they are.