RAMI Slidestop

[Unregistered(d)]

What's with that slidestop? Is that a button?

[bullsi1911]

From what it looks like, it has an internal slide stop with no external slide release.  To reload, drop spent mag, slap in a new one, and 'slingshot' the slide.  
           
            Grab the rear slide serrations, pull a bit to the rear and let it slide.  That is actually the reload technique that most knowledgeable defensive schools teach.  During a life or death encounter, your fine motor skills will be seriously degreaded.  It will be much more difficult to hit that little slide stop lever, however, slingshot-ing the slide will be a gross motor skill that will be easier to retain in an emergency.
           
            The only thing that peeves me about the lack of slide stop levers on guns I currentl own (Wather PPK, CZ-70, and CZ-52) is that you have to completely empty the magazine to manually lock the slide open.

[skucera]

The button you see in the picture is the pin that the barrel cams down on when the slide recoils.  I imagine that it has to be pushed out to disassemble the gun for cleaning (just as you have to push out the slidestop on a CZ 75 or CZ 97).
           
            From what I read, the RAMI doesn't have a slide stop at all.  That round thumbtack-like button kind of confirms that suspicion for me.  However, we'll all see when it arrives and we can fiddle with it at our local gun dealers.
           
            (FWIW, you can lock the slide back on a CZ 52 by racking the slide back and pressing the slide catch lever upwards with your right thumb.  You can't do that with a Walther PP/PPK though because its slide stop mechanism is entirely flush with the frame of the pistol.)
           
            Scott

[bocman]

The picture of the RAMI shows RAMI version with disassembly pin only (European version). Nevertheless, the first  shipment of the CZ Rami pistols directed to the States will be supplied with slide stop levers. This mean that after firing all the rounds from the mag, the slide will stay open in the back stroke position. To continue with the shooting procedure, the shooter must refresh pistol with a new mag. To load fresh round into the chamber, the shooter moves pistol slide into the battery by moving slide stop lever downward, the exactly same way as on any another CZ 75 designed pistol.
            Bocman,
            Czech Republic

[broadkil]

so let me get this right....
            in another post you mentioned that you designed this?
            GOD BLESS YOUR SOUL
            and how much is there in-common to this and the CZ-40b?
            we all know that it LOOKS like a chopped 40b but IS it?
            and well cause id kinda like you have your job some day....what did it take to get where your at?

[bocman]

You are correct, I was inspired by COLT Z 40 pistol, but I was around the birth of this said pistol also. When CZ - Colt cooperation broke down, the CZ was left with some leftover parts. I tried to utilize what was left over. But on end of the day I must redesign it most of the parts anyway and this includes the frame.
            To answer your last question. Firstly, I am not a technician or designer by trade. Firstly, I am marketing man, IPSC shooter and IROA Range Master. I am behind the development of the CZ 75 ST IPSC pistol also. When I was small boy about 4 years old, my father made me my first wooden rifle and I was hooked for life. I was also blessed to meet Jeff Cooper and his lovely wife Janelle and become their friend, so there is not way back from this "gun rocket".
            Keep faith,
            Bocman

[broadkil]

so is the reason CZ stopped making the 40b because....
           
            1.they needed the tooling and space on the production floor for the RAMI?
            2. or was it just bad sales?
           
            sorry if i ask too many questions...your just the first person that i know that could answer all of my questions
           
           
            btw...any thoughts about making the RAMI in .357Sig?

[Unregistered(d)]

bocman, thank you for spending some time here with us. It's nice to hear some of the background on this new gun. You and your co-workers appear to have done a nice job, both in concept and excexution. Of course, the proof is in how it shoots, and I anxiously await the opportunity to do so in the near future.
           
            I have been wondering why no manufacturer has designed a gun that goes into battery when a loaded magazine is inserted. The pin slidestop on the original design is a good idea: small, light, and simple. It's major drawback is the extra time that it takes to reach back to drop the slide. As an IPSC shooter, I know you can appreciate that. Having the slide drop automatically upon insertion of a full magazine would be even faster than dropping it with a slide release. It would also preserve the simple controls of the original design.
           
            What are your thoughts?

[Walt-Sherrill]

I read the following, above.
           
           

Quote:Grab the rear slide serrations, pull a bit to the rear and let it slide. That is actually the reload technique that most knowledgeable defensive schools teach. During a life or death encounter, your fine motor skills will be seriously degreaded. It will be much more difficult to hit that little slide stop lever, however, slingshot-ing the slide will be a gross motor skill that will be easier to retain in an emergency.

There's been some work done in the last couple of years that is beginning to discounts this theory a bit...
           
            One gun magazine had a doctor actually inject some shooters with adrenaline, simulating what would happen when they're tensed up and in a fight, and found it wasn't as simple as theory held it to be.
           
            Grabbing and releasing the slide took fine motor skills, too, and you had to coordinate both hands to do it.
           
            If you're using ONLY your grip hand to release the slide stop you do, indeed, have a smaller, finer target to hit, but if you use your off hand to hit the slide release, you can use all four fingers of that hand to find the slide stop and release it.
           
            I've found this to be very fast and very reliable in match scenarios.    But with the RAMI it would be useless... <grin>

[JRFarrar]

Not useless with the RAMI since the US version will have the slide release lever. I'll only add to Walt's comments that if hitting the slide release lever is a fine motor skill, then pulling that trigger while the sights are on targe is most definitely a fine motor skill. If you aren't hitting what you're shooting at... then why even reload? Cover fire? ;-)
           
            Everything about shooting is a fine motor skill. It is practicing these skills over and over that hopefully help them become second nature to us. If you were ever in that stressful situation and had to reload... what you are hoping for is at the end while trying to recount what happened.. you think to yourself, "I dont' even remember reloading." Some of the old schools of thought have been changing recently with now, rather than speculation, actual tests being performed and more real data being analyzed.
           
            Thanks for all the great info on the RAMI... I can't wait to get my hands on one!

[Oldnslow]

 Just saw the Rami at the Shot Show. (See other posts.) The slide release is not very deep; it doesn't stick out from the frame as far as a PCR, say. It is difficult to release with one's thumb as I am used to doing with my other toys, er, firearms.

[p0l4rb34r]

I got mine today... (my first CZ)
            after a good cleaning...  (good lord was there enough oil over this thing)
            I think it is actually producing oil somewhere in the internals.
           
            anyway...
            slide stop and safety both are very "thin"
            operates fairly easily...maybe after a bit of work in It will loosen up or I will learn how to use it better.
           
            I just cant wait to find a holster for it now!!!
           
            I have to work this weekend so I will not be able to give a report on my feelings on this piece for a while yet.
           
            anyway...thank you guys for this great forum....this is where I learned of the RAMI first....and I had to have one

[freewheeling]

Quote:I have been wondering why no manufacturer has designed a gun that goes into battery when a loaded magazine is inserted.

           
            My Kadet does this.  I don't think it's supposed to, however.  :-) I suspect it has something to do with a flawed mag, so if you want that feature it might amount to a simple mag modification.

[skucera]

Yeah, I wouldn't see that as much of a feature either, especially from the safety point of view.  It removes that intermediate state where you can look in the ejection port and see how everything is aligned.  It also means there is one small action removed from an empty, non-firing state to a loaded, fully armed state that isn't common on most other automatic pistols.  There's a certain increased safety for everyone when all pistols share certain controls and share handling characteristics, kind of like when cars are safer and easier because they all share similar controls that everyone knows and understands (like American cars in the Sixties, or Japanese cars in the Eighties and Nineties).
           
            I'm very glad that CZ decided to make the American version of the RAMI with a slide stop.  It'll keep its controls that much more similar to my CZ 97, and the PCR I also lust after but have not yet been able to buy.
           
            Scott

[bocman]

Button you can see on the picture is a disassembly pin. Originally, the CZ 2075 RAMI was designed as a pistol without slide stop lever and most European endusers will get it that way. But all the RAMI pistols sold to the States will have a fully functional slide stop.