Have not been by for a bit but did see what was here on Widener's site. Just to add, I did go ahead and get the 1224 "Battle Pack" pretty decent deal (very fast delivery) it was like $130 total with shipping. I find it a bit amusing the company asks for me to type in my birth date to make sure I'm legal then UPS just leaves it on my porch. Makes it easy for me but what if I was just crazy, then again I guess my UPS guy kind of knows me. Of more importance I thought I'd note that they also sell the 70 round packs for like $6.50 each. Have not used it yet myself, I've always used Sellier and Bellot which is non-corrosive but it's like $13 or $14 for 50 rounds. Never opened one of these giant tin cans