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Offline PTGT_Neon

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First time gun owner: SP-01 Phantom
« on: March 10, 2009, 06:59:47 PM »
The Phantom is my first hand gun.  I'm very pleased with it.  I'm making some classic first time shooter mistakes.  There's a laserlyte in the mail so I can see what I'm doing as I'm pulling the trigger.  I think that feedback will help me out. 

There's a lot of ammunition out there.  What works best for these guns?  I was going to get some cheap reload ball/FMJ at a local gun show.  But what would be best for home or self-defense?  I'm sure its all opinion . . but I'm sure there's some pros and cons for each type.  I was looking at the Hornaday and Ballisticlean.  What's are the pros/cons of 115gr and 147gr weights?

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Re: First time gun owner: SP-01 Phantom
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2009, 09:32:55 PM »
What experienced 9mm shooters have told me is that most loads for 147gr have a mild recoil impulse, while loads for the smaller bullets -esp. the 115gr- have noticeably snappier recoil. Apparently and to me somewhat surprisingly, when it comes to high recoil in pistols, velocity trumps bullet weight. Hmmm.
 
So I compete with 147s, and they are easy to handle in a full size CZ.

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Re: First time gun owner: SP-01 Phantom
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2009, 09:51:06 PM »
great info!

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Re: First time gun owner: SP-01 Phantom
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2009, 12:19:34 AM »
Handguns are not anywhere near as easy to learn to shoot well as something like a rifle.  Grip stability and trigger finger position play a huge part in how stabily you hold your gun for shooting. 

Check out this Todd Jarret video on pistol grip and trigger finger positioning.  It really helped me out a lot as it did a lot of others from what I've heard about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysa50-plo48

Here's another good tool for helping you to figure out what is wrong.

http://www.is-lan.com/challenge/images/Pistol-Correction.pdf

Finally... for me it really helped to get a .22 semi and alternately shoot the .22 and then the pistol.  It really helped to eliminate, or at least control, my tendency to flinch and anticipate.  I would have gotten there eventually but by shooting two magazines of .22 and then a magazine of 9mm and then back to the .22 I not only saved a HEAP of money on ammo costs but I learned to ignore the firing of the gun other than noticing it as a sideline experience to my shooting.  Try it if you can set up the second pistol in .22.  It really helps.  So can dry firing with a bore laser but at some point I think you need to lose the dot on the wall and shoot something.  If the laser does the job then great.  But if you find you can't bring the laser dot shooting to control your real shooting then try the .22 solution.

EDIT-  Sweet, I wasn't expecting the video to be embedded like that.  :D  Also I just wanted to add that there's a whole other reason for trying the .22 than as an aid for your center fire pistol shooting.  And that is that it's fun on its own as well as being dirt cheap fun.  I bought my 9mm Shadow first just becuase it worked out that way.  But shortly after that I asked to borrow a .22 and my own .22 pistol became my very second purchase as the experience described above hit home like a ton of bricks. 

What .22 did I buy?  Well as it turned out I went for a Tanfoglio Force 22.  You may well ask what that is since they are only sold in Canada.  For once we have something up on ya Yanks..... :D  But an excellent pistol (and the borrowed one that I shot about 500 rounds through) is a S&W 22A.  It's light enough that the .22 kick moves the gun and forces you to concentrate on both your hold and your trigger finger control.  Something that a Ruger, with it's much more solid weight, does not respond to with the same degree.  Don't get me wrong.  The Ruger .22's are fantastic pistols for putting holes in targets.  But they are so heavy that they insulate the shooter from much of the need to learn the proper techniques to the same degree as a lighter pistol. 

Another great option is one that I just bought for myself.  It's an older S&W 422.  Light but super accurate if I do my job.  A great little plinker.
« Last Edit: March 11, 2009, 12:28:01 AM by BCRider »
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Re: First time gun owner: SP-01 Phantom
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2009, 11:21:16 AM »
I would get some snap caps and do a lot of dry fire practice.  It's all about your trigger finger.  All the technique in the world is for not if you can't keep the gun completely still when you pull that trigger.  Practice makes perfect.

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« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2009, 04:06:09 PM »
I asked the sales guy about the plastic snap cap things.  He laughed and said, "You have a CZ!  All you have to do to practice is pick it and look through the sights." 

I was a bit skeptical of the comment.  But it was also reassuring.

The video is a great help.  That's the second time I've seen it.  I made the error of putting my joint on the trigger.  And I didn't know how to use the support hand.  Using the technique he mentioned to hold the gun seems to help a lot.  I've been dry firing with nothing in the chamber and a laser pointer taped to the accessory rail.  Holding the gun properly makes a huge difference.

I didn't think the bore laser sight would be all that helpful which is why I ordered the compact that fits on the accessory rail. 

The .22 suggestion is interesting.  Is the kadet conversion worth looking into?  Or will it not fit the SP-01 phantom?

I'll practice some more before I think about changing springs.  It's just that the DA is such workout!  Fully cocking the hammer before the first shot seems like a good reflex.

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Re: First time gun owner: SP-01 Phantom
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2009, 04:22:05 PM »
If you're going to dry fire it once in a while, then it's not a problem doing so without a snap cap.  But if you're going to obsessively fondle your new baby and do a lot of dry firing, I'd invest in the snap caps.  It minimizes the wear.

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Re: First time gun owner: SP-01 Phantom
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2009, 04:47:08 PM »
LOL!  I haven't been jerking it off obsessively.  How do snap caps reduce wear?  What wears out in a dry fire?

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« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2009, 05:13:31 PM »
I've heard so many different theories I'm not even sure myself!  :D  You can google it.  But based on much of what I've read dry firing puts wear on your firing pin from striking the other internal parts without the resistance of the primer.  A snap cap provides that resistance. 
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Offline Stuart

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Re: First time gun owner: SP-01 Phantom
« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2009, 08:04:11 PM »
many feel more comfortable with snap caps..

I hate having anything in my gun ..it can get just too confusing if its real or if its a snap cap..
for me..nothing..
I tend to dryfire everynight..sometimes for 15min. sometimes up to 60min.
my experience only..I have not broken a trigger spring, firing pin, roll pins..nothing..

but that is only my experience.

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« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2009, 08:13:05 PM »
FWIW, the firing pin in my CZ has pierced a 1/16" deep hole in the green 'primer' supplied with the CZ snap cap. But it indents real primers in the normal way, without overtravel. Sometimes I use the caps, other times not.

True enough eerw. Snap caps in the safe area at an IPSC match are an automatic DQ/go home, same as for live rounds. Probably the same rule applies in USPSA? And different in IDPA as they run a hot range?

The no snap-cap rule is there because one could inadvertently mix things up then dry fire a live round. This may be somewhat obsessive, but IPSC's track record is nearly accident free. I like things as they are, and feel safe around the other competitors.