CZ 27 w/extended barrel for silencer

[pat552864]

LONG time lurker, first time poster.....

I am afraid that I may be doing the unthinkable and be parting with this gem of mine.  I have never even seen another one anywhere and don't know that I'll ever have the chance to own one again, but living in the worst economy in the States and knowing this gun sale could potentially pay several months of my mortgage I am afraid it has to happen. 

That being said....I have to do some bragging on here while I am still the proud owner of this gun.  It is one I picked up from an estate that unfortunately the family could not provide any kind of history on other than Grandpa fought in Europe, so there is no family/personal connection to this gun for me other than it was a unique/rare piece of history and fine weapon (My family fought in the Pacific).

(From everything I can gather) It is one of the later war models with the phosphate finish.  It has a very smooth action and trigger to it.  All springs are tight and the bore is clean, clean, clean.  There is a Nazi proof as you can see in the pictures on the top of the slide by the serial number and another more distinct one (though I need a better photo of it) on the barrel that is visible when the slide is closed.

Of course what really makes this 27 stand out is that little bit of extra barrel sticking out...it makes it the ever elusive rare variation with the extended tapered barrel for a silencer to be attached.

From (a 6 year old version) copy of the Blue Book of Gun Values for the phosphate finish it states: "'fnh' Slide Legend Variation - medium polish or phosphate.  Ser. no. range 261,000-476,000."  Followed after that by: "Sound Suppressor Barrel Variation - a small number of phosphate pistols were fitted with an extended barrel for suppressor attachment.  Usually in 450,000-460,000 ser. no. range.

From the book "The Semiautomatic Pistol" in the section on the CZ 27 it states: "The Nazis also fabricated a limited number of Model 1927's with an extended barrel for the attachment of a silencer device."

Aside from that it is even hard to find pictures of this variation online, in any published materials I have or can find, let alone any more info on this variation (i.e. number produced, who they were assigned to, etc).

So, aside from bragging and adding my pictures to this online community, I am looking for any info anyone out there might have on this variation of the 27.  I am in no way a good photographer, but I will try to get some more up soon, or of course if you have any requests or questions let me know.

All the photos I have uploaded so far can be seen on Flickr by clicking http://www.flickr.com/photos/7711851@N04/sets/72157623789816385/

And a couple to show it here....








Really looking forward to your comments, input and info!  Thanks again all for such a great forum you got here! 

[NVCZ]

Thank you for sharing that. I am fairly new to CZ's and I appreciate the older ones as well the newer models.

I myself have never seen one like that, hope it is worth what you hope for.

It is hard to part with good firearms, but if it keeps food on your table and a roof over your head, well your priorities are in line.

Prayers for abundance in your life in these hard times, stay strong and keep posting....

NVCZ

[miguel]

There were 5000 pieces of this gun made with the silencer, so it is relatively rare.

There is a picture of the gun with silencer:

As I have read somewhere, this gun was used in concentration camp in Buchenwald for the silent execution of prisoners. Prisoner was told, that he have to pass the medical investigation, he was locked in the small room and there he was executed from the small window... The silencer was used to prevent disturbance between other prisoners... It is a sad part of history 

[pat552864]

Wow, thanks for the picture and additional info, my wife (as much as she likes guns) has never liked the implications of what a silence-able Nazi gun would have been used for.  It is as you stated a sad piece of history, but a history that must be remembered lest it be repeated.

Do you have a source for the 5000 pieces made?  I have dug and never found anywhere that even guesstimated at the number made in this variation.

I also had it out to the range today for what was probably it's last run with me.  It really does have a smooth, crisp trigger on it.  Just a well built gun all around.  I took a couple of pictures today at the range, they were rushed though, I will put them up if they turn out at all.

[miguel]

Those information were from my memory. I made some searching through websites and there is one article (but without citation references), that says about 5000 ordered pieces and about 4220 delivered pieces during 1945.
http://www.detektorweb.cz/index.4me?s=show&i=9755&mm=1&vd=1 , try google translation. http://translate.google.com/#

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Very nice.  I have been shopping for an M27, but the only ones I have found are Nazi marked which drives the price up $150 - $200.  I don't really care about Nazi markings, as I am looking for an occasional shooter and something to spice up my CZ collection.  This one seems especially collectible.  If you had a matching suppressor, I imagine it would be worth 3 - 4 times more.

[pat552864]

So as I said, we had it out to the range yesterday.  Always amazed at the accuracy of this little gun, smooth trigger and a very clean break to it.  Functioned flawlessly for us shooting up some Pow'R Ball to see how it would cycle.  Recoil is not bad at all and it was a great chance for some friends/family to have the chance to have the experience of shooting a couple rounds each.

For those of you who own other Model 27's how far out does the brass kick after firing?  On this gun it shoots the brass out about 10 feet and slightly to the rear.

Here is a photo of my nephew getting ready to shoot...



The mag fully loaded with Pow'R Ball.



And a shot of the gun with ammo and mag loaded.

[pat552864]

So I am actually going to sell this gun, I put it up on gunsamerica.com and in the classifieds here on this board.  I can't justify holding onto this gun when it could mean so much to my family to sell it at this point.  I'm proud to have owned a little part of history, but for now I'll put the money to better use and maybe even pick up a base model of the P-27 with the proceeds.

So tell me what you think, there is another one on gunbroker.com asking $3,100, I am going to ask $2,600 as I think $3,100 is a bit over the top.....thoughts/comments/suggestions/complaints/quips?