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« on: April 02, 2007, 02:07:45 PM »
Oy, oy. 60 rounds later. Oy.
   I have named this sidearm.It is now known as Challenger. Why? It's a challenge. I had some groups at 7 yards that were 2 inches, and the next three would be off the 8.5x11 paper. I hadda switch back to my Smith 10-8 .38 Spl revolver to make sure it wasn't me!
   Now, when I tried, I could keep them in the 8 ring of a combat target, and I could quickly pass the AZ CCW course with it. I can confidently say a man sized target would be in grave peril. I can also say this is no target pistol, no sir. I am now looking for the "fluffer/buffer" guy here in town, to see if a good stoning of the trigger system by a professional might help. I can also say a GREAT assistance would be to replace the grooved trigger with a smooth one.
   It's a good, solid, durable pistol, and as I stated, it will easily pass our CCW course. It has to be one of the safest pistols on the market today, with that long deliberate pull,but it is not a target pistol, at least not with Blazer Brass 180 TNJ, or Fed HydraShoks.
   Time will tell, but it is time to soak my trigger finger in Epsom Salts...

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« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2007, 04:42:26 PM »
Well, it couldn't have been that bad, as you haven't gone oy vey! yet. That'll happen at about the 100 round mark. :lol

You could certainly try polishing the trigger parts to smooth out the pull, but there's really not much that can be done to lighten the pull weight without possibly resulting in light primer strikes.

I'd imagine the grooves on the trigger face could be removed easily enough through a little judicious grinding with a (gasp!) Dremel tool. The only drawback to that is you'll have to reblue the face.

If you still have the stock recoil spring in the gun, you might want to consider changing it to a heavier one. Shooting the 40 S&W version of the CZ 100 with the factory recoil spring was not a pleasant experience for me, even with my reduced-power 155 gr. target handloads. The viciousness of the recoil would make the palm of my shooting hand numb after just a couple of magazines. Installing a 24 lb. Wolff recoil spring (intended for the Glock 19, but a drop-in fit for the CZ 100) improved the felt recoil to a point where it was no longer an issue.

So, is it a keeper? :D

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« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2007, 08:07:04 PM »

  Sorry to hear your trigger finger is sore!  The pull is so long that I think it is difficult for anyone to focus on the front sight, not have the barrel weave about and not push the barrel down or jerk at the end.  You can get better with practice, if you want to invest the time.  Anyway good luck.  Will you still be speakin' to me? :lol

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« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2007, 08:36:33 PM »
Of course! Practice makes perfect. Unfortunately, it also has a habit of destroying brass! Over half of the Blazer Brass ammo was actually torn at the case mouth slightly. Never seen that before.
   I say with a fixed rear sight, this could be the ultimate grab and go gun, with the simplicity and durability.

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« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2007, 04:24:01 AM »
Ultimate grab and go gun...  In theory, maybe.  

In practice, there have been durability issues, and as you've already found, the trigger needs help.  Then too, finding mags is not easy.  Ergonomically, the gun is superior -- but that  alone isn't enough.  

There are too many better guns available -- the Glock 19 immediately comes to mind -- that are easier to shoot well, are just as (or more) reliable, are simpler, and easier repair, etc.

I hope you find it to your taste, but you're not going to convince me that its the ultimated "anything."  

Maybe the 110, if it ever gets here can fill that bill.  (I'd consider giving that model a try -- as it addresses the major shortcoming: the trigger.)

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« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2007, 05:46:35 AM »
Perhaps I misspoke. If the trigger issue was fixed, and the rear sight something durable, this would make a good SHTF gun. I'd grab this before a Glock, but that's just me - I hate G-rocks.:b  The place where this would be great is in our Main Control, where sidearms are more asymbol than a used item, not because I don't think it's a shooter, but due to two issues - the grab and go aspect of it, and that looooong trigger pull isa safety in of itself, for untrained/partially trained shooters, such as over half my staff, (!), reducing negligent discharges.
  The CZ-100 is one of those guns where you say, "Neat idea, but..."  Truely, there is a lot of potential there.

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« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2007, 03:24:47 PM »
Well, there is no denying it takes a real man to run through 100 rounds in one session with a 100.  The firing pin spring is bodacious to say the least.  When I had finally had enough I bought extras and started the trial and error process of shortening the spring to an acceptable pull and still have confidence of no mis strikes.  Been through at least 400 rounds in practice w/o problem.  

I did not like the serrated trigger and the dremel solved that problem.  Just like golf the more you practice the better you become and the 100 is no different.  I can hit more circles one handed than I can with both hands.  Practice is the key.
A portion of my left hand remains in SE Asia so for me it was a necessity to practice one handed defense.

Something that has not been mentioned here in a long long time is the continuous strike capability of the 100.  If a shell does not fire you have the option of quickly pulling the trigger again.  You can argue till the cows come home whether to waste time on another strike or to just go ahead and cycle the action and put another round in. I guess that is something each person would have to decide on their own.

Personally, I have a hard time giving up on mine.  I am sure there are better weapons but I have yet to find one that fits ergonomally as well as the 100.  Say what you want, if you can't hold it straight you can't shoot it straight.


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« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2007, 05:41:47 PM »
CZhead,
What was your solution on the firing pin spring?

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« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2007, 03:40:41 PM »
trial and error, cut springs till I was confident weapon would not produce light strikes.  Still have a pull to the right though when pin is released.