CZ 75 SP01 SHADOW Custom (#91029) allowed for IPSC production?

[CZEnthusiast]

Reposting from a different forum, hopefully this is the right forum for this question

I've been reading on the forums and on the web trying to find an answer for the question, Is the CZ SP01 SHADOW Custom (#91029) @ http://czcustom.com/CZ75_SP01_SHADOW_CustomShop.aspx allowed for IPSC production division? I could not find a definitive yes/no answer.

I also looked at IPSC's website (http://www.ipsc.org/rules/proddiv.php) and it states:

CZ75 P01, P07 Duty, CZ75 SP-01, CZ75 SP-01 Tactical, CZ75 SP-01 Shadow, CZ75 SP01 Dual Tone, CZ75 SP-01 Sport (9x21mm version with OFM trigger stop as sold in Italy), CZ75 SP-01 Phantom, CZ75 SP-01 Shadow TR, CZ75 SP-01 SHADOW 2012

Also approved are variants with original Ceska Zbrojovka (CZUB) barrels which are longer than standard (e.g. SP-01A, SP-01DK, SP-01DK Shadow), provided the barrel length does not exceed 127mm, and provided all other aspects of these variants fully comply with all other Production Division rules. All dual tone models, and approved models with OFM coloured frames, are also approved.

(CZUSA Custom Shop models including the SP-01 Shadow Target, and Frankonia ?Mamba? and ?Viper? versions, are not approved)

So it states that "CZ75 SP-01 Shadow" and "CZ75 SP-01 SHADOW 2012" are allowed (I'm assuming one of these is the "CZ 75 SP01 SHADOW 9mm 91154 Black CZ Custom Exclusive" #91154 @ http://czcustom.com/CZ-75-SP01-SHADOW-PolyCoat-9mm.aspx), but then they state that the "CZUSA Custom Shop models" are not approved and I'm assuming by this they also encompass the SP01 shadow Custom.

Am I understanding correctly that the factory one #91154 is allowed but the custom one #91029 is not allowed?

[1SOW]

The CZ SPO1 Shadow is IPSC production class approved-yes.  The Shadow Target and some others listed are not production class approved.
The question then comes up, are the Custom Shop changes to the "SPO1 Shadow" approved?  Sights-yes, springs-yes,  Firing pin-yes (I think), Action polishing-yes, Grips-yes, Competition Hammer-?  If it is considered a "manufacturer option" or is specifically approved-yes.  I don't know.
Did I miss anything else?
The "Competition Hammer" is the only thing I can see that "might not be approved".
Angus, Stuart or others at the Custom Shop would know.  Call or email them for a direct answer.  http://czcustom.com/contact-us.aspx
 

[CZEnthusiast]

The CZ SPO1 Shadow is IPSC production class approved-yes.  The Shadow Target and some others listed are not production class approved.
The question then comes up, are the Custom Shop changes to the "SPO1 Shadow" approved?  Sights-yes, springs-yes,  Firing pin-yes (I think), Action polishing-yes, Grips-yes, Competition Hammer-?  If it is considered a "manufacturer option" or is specifically approved-yes.  I don't know.
Did I miss anything else?
The hammer is the only thing I can see that "might not be approved".
Angus, Stuart or others at the Custom Shop would know.  Call or email them for a direct answer.  http://czcustom.com/contact-us.aspx

Thanks for your response, I'm glad you broke it down. I tried matching the description of changes on CZC to the rules but got lost in the middle, figured this would be the place where I may get a definitive answer. I'll call CZC and ask them, I hope they would have a clear cut answer with some references to documents or publications that one can use to defend why it is or isn't allowed.
My follow up question however is, how would they know in an IPSC competition (never been in one - but intending to)? Will they remove the slide and strip the gun and look at the components, this would just be strange - I imagine they would just check the obvious stuff, e.g. external looks, trigger pull, stuff that can be measured that is.

[justaute]

The hammer should be fine as it is from CZUB.

http://www.shop-cz.com/exec/search.aspx?exps=hammer&SearchType=Fulltext

[DialTone301]

Is it legal for USPSA production?

[justaute]

Yes.

Is it legal for USPSA production?

[Stuart]

91029 Shadow Custom Black and 91159 Shadow Custom Black T are both legal for USPSA Production.

[1SOW]

Stuart, the OP was asking is it legal in "IPSC".

The hammer should be fine as it is from CZUB.

justaute, is THAT the CZ Custom Shop "Competition Hammer"?

Note: IPSC has different rules than USPSA.

[1SOW]

For your #2 question:
In USPSA (American version of IPSC)  "Exterior visible mods are the ones very limited.  Internal changes not so much.
In IPSC the rules are different in this case, and I don't know how they would enforce them.  The hammer is 'visible', but I don't know if it's the same one that justaute linked to.  If so, it's good-to-go.  Either way, at a local match it's unlikely to come up at all, but You will know .

Where are you going to shoot an "IPSC" match?

[justaute]

Yep -- that's the competition hammer.  As it is made by CZUB, or at least in the CZUB catalog, it is good to go at IPSC.

For your #2 question:
In USPSA (American version of IPSC)  "Exterior visible mods are the ones very limited.  Internal changes not so much.
In IPSC the rules are different in this case, and I don't know how they would enforce them.  The hammer is 'visible', but I don't know if it's the same one that justaute linked to.  If so, it's good-to-go.  Either way, at a local match it's unlikely to come up at all, but You will know .

Where are you going to shoot an "IPSC" match?

[1SOW]

Good to know.  Thank you.
My son's gun is IPSC legal.

[CZEnthusiast]

Great! thanks for the help everyone, it seems that the consensus is that both SP01 Shadows (the factory and custom) are legal for IPSC production. I appreciate all the help.

[angus hobdell]

The funny thing about "IPSC legal" is this.
If a person buys all the same "factory parts" and add them to "the pistol" themselves, then it is "perfectly legal" IPSC, actually VP, has a  problem with CZC in his words "Building Pizza guns" So if we put the parts on the gun for you and call it a "XXXXX" then it is NOT Legal for IPSC.....

Go figure

[justaute]

Angus,

If CZUB would just listen to your input, similar to what Grauffel does for Tanfo, then I think VP would have less ground to stand on.  And, we would have more competition "ready" guns.  )

The funny thing about "IPSC legal" is this.
If a person buys all the same "factory parts" and add them to "the pistol" themselves, then it is "perfectly legal" IPSC, actually VP, has a  problem with CZC in his words "Building Pizza guns" So if we put the parts on the gun for you and call it a "XXXXX" then it is NOT Legal for IPSC.....

Go figure