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Re: Piers Morgan, headed to a gun range
« Reply #30 on: February 13, 2013, 01:42:48 PM »
What exactly is wrong with Ted Nugent? Because he's not a clean cut 3 peice suit and tie type with an eloqeunt vocabulary full of fancy words? He tells it like it is and that is bleep well what we need more of.  The guy is the epitome of what a true freedom loving American should be and if some people are offended or embarrased by that then maybe they need to take a good long look in the mirror!
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Re: Piers Morgan, headed to a gun range
« Reply #31 on: February 13, 2013, 08:06:16 PM »
hes a drug warrior and sides with republicans who think we should continue to be the number one prison population in the world because of all of the nonviolent, otherwise law-abiding citizens, being thrown in jail. these people are almost always lower class individuals.  hes stupid and the only thing i ever agree with him on is gun policy. do you think piers morgan would bring someone on his show that would make a good impression with his audience? ted is doing exactly what piers wants him to do, make his audience even more scared that there are dumb people like mr. nugent out there with guns. the national republican party does nothing for the lower class american people and he supports them. the only respectable politicians youll find anywhere are local politicians let alone national republicans. phh
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Re: Piers Morgan, headed to a gun range
« Reply #32 on: February 13, 2013, 08:15:41 PM »
What exactly is wrong with Ted Nugent? Because he's not a clean cut 3 peice suit and tie type with an eloqeunt vocabulary full of fancy words? He tells it like it is and that is bleep well what we need more of.  The guy is the epitome of what a true freedom loving American should be and if some people are offended or embarrased by that then maybe they need to take a good long look in the mirror!

A draft dodger with multiple wives, several kids out of wedlock, legal issues for not paying child support for his kids, a pretty disgusting relationship with an underage girl, a habit of shooting off his mouth with implications of violence against other people, a horrible track record when it comes to nature and wildlife (anything beyond killing them)... need I go on?

I think most people don't know the whole story when it comes to the Nuge and get behind him because he is charismatic and supports firearms.  If knowing his history and the truth about him, you still consider him a role model... well, then we don't have much in common friend.  Personally, I see absolutely nothing redeeming about the man, beyond he's a strong supporter of the 2nd amendment. 

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Re: Piers Morgan, headed to a gun range
« Reply #33 on: February 13, 2013, 08:44:04 PM »
TY bzwell. thorough.
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Re: Piers Morgan, headed to a gun range
« Reply #34 on: February 13, 2013, 09:07:56 PM »
They still make Yugos? Whoa, rode in one in 1987, will not willingly repeat the experience.

I remember when Yugos first came to the US. When the average new car cost at least $10,000 you could get a new Yugo for $3995.

My first car was a 1973 VW Bug. I thought they were small and cheaply made. That changed when my firend's mother bought a new Yugo. It made my VW Bug look like a Cadillac.
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Re: Piers Morgan, headed to a gun range
« Reply #35 on: February 14, 2013, 06:47:16 AM »
What exactly is wrong with Ted Nugent? Because he's not a clean cut 3 peice suit and tie type with an eloqeunt vocabulary full of fancy words? He tells it like it is and that is bleep well what we need more of.  The guy is the epitome of what a true freedom loving American should be and if some people are offended or embarrased by that then maybe they need to take a good long look in the mirror!

A draft dodger with multiple wives, several kids out of wedlock, legal issues for not paying child support for his kids, a pretty disgusting relationship with an underage girl, a habit of shooting off his mouth with implications of violence against other people, a horrible track record when it comes to nature and wildlife (anything beyond killing them)... need I go on?

I think most people don't know the whole story when it comes to the Nuge and get behind him because he is charismatic and supports firearms.  If knowing his history and the truth about him, you still consider him a role model... well, then we don't have much in common friend.  Personally, I see absolutely nothing redeeming about the man, beyond he's a strong supporter of the 2nd amendment.

I never stated that I see Ted Nugent as a role model in any capacity. I agree with his 2nd amendment views and agree mostly with his stance against drugs/alcohol but that is where it ends. Morally he has been as bankrupt as the majority of our politicians and in reality most of the people in the world for that matter. Do I need to list a few? I really don't have all day.
How about a quick example: The same crowd that rail against our second amendment rights when tragedies like Aurora and New Town happen are praising the murderous rampage of Christopher Dorner. Our moral compass is broken!

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Re: Piers Morgan, headed to a gun range
« Reply #36 on: February 14, 2013, 06:55:38 AM »
TY bzwell. thorough.

Thorough? Info is readily available anyplace. Anybody can read Wikipedia. I remember all that info in real time since I grew up in that era. I remember Ted Kennedy getting away with murder too.

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Re: Piers Morgan, headed to a gun range
« Reply #37 on: February 14, 2013, 07:11:07 AM »
They still make Yugos? Whoa, rode in one in 1987, will not willingly repeat the experience.

I remember when Yugos first came to the US. When the average new car cost at least $10,000 you could get a new Yugo for $3995.

My first car was a 1973 VW Bug. I thought they were small and cheaply made. That changed when my firend's mother bought a new Yugo. It made my VW Bug look like a Cadillac.

I was just a couple years into a career as an auto tech when those things showed up. The big sales pitch was "A new car for under 4,000". They were good for about 35,000 miles at which time the entire front end needed to be rebuilt and the brakes were spent along with the leaking water pump which required removing the engine to change for a total bill of nearly half what the car cost new.
Most people scrapped them at that point.

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Re: Piers Morgan, headed to a gun range
« Reply #38 on: February 14, 2013, 10:08:21 AM »
Make up your mind.  He's gone from "the epitome of what a true freedom loving American should be" to ... "well, ok, he's morally bankrupt and I only agree with him on his firearms stance, but politicians are bad too!"  I beg to differ that a true freedom loving American should sleep around, fail to pay his child support, spout off at the mouth like a jackass and appear to abhore nature and our wildlife.  He's a horrible spokesperson for our community, because of precisely the reasons I listed and dozens more.  In my mind he's a scumbag, plain and simple.  And just because he likes guns and supports a strong 2nd amendment, that doesn't change the fact he's a scumbag. 

Ask yourself, can we not do better?  When so many people in our community are good, honest folks, it personally drives me insane to see someone like the Nuge trotting himself out as our representative.  I can tell you that he doesn't remind me one bit of any of the honest, hardworking men and women I see at the gun club every weekend and consider my friends.

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Re: Piers Morgan, headed to a gun range
« Reply #39 on: February 14, 2013, 10:46:53 AM »
Make up your mind.  He's gone from "the epitome of what a true freedom loving American should be" to ... "well, ok, he's morally bankrupt and I only agree with him on his firearms stance, but politicians are bad too!"  I beg to differ that a true freedom loving American should sleep around, fail to pay his child support, spout off at the mouth like a jackass and appear to abhore nature and our wildlife.  He's a horrible spokesperson for our community, because of precisely the reasons I listed and dozens more.  In my mind he's a scumbag, plain and simple.  And just because he likes guns and supports a strong 2nd amendment, that doesn't change the fact he's a scumbag. 

Ask yourself, can we not do better?  When so many people in our community are good, honest folks, it personally drives me insane to see someone like the Nuge trotting himself out as our representative.  I can tell you that he doesn't remind me one bit of any of the honest, hardworking men and women I see at the gun club every weekend and consider my friends.

Who would you pick to speak for us? I don't see anyone else stepping up to the plate. The NRA stands up and guys like you discount what they say believing we need to make yet more concessions to the left than we have already.
So because of what Nugent did in his past he should be shunned? No body gets a second chance to redeem themselves? Do you know what skeletons are in the closet of all the honest hardworking people you say you know? Maybe where you are every one is perfect but I doubt it. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
I'd be more than happy to have someone stand up on our side who has lead a lily white moral life but they crucified that guy some years back.

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Re: Piers Morgan, headed to a gun range
« Reply #40 on: February 14, 2013, 10:50:52 AM »
Restpectfully noted Boswell.  But there's an old saying "You can't bring a knife to a gunfight" and expect to win.  I don't think PM is any different than Ted the Nuge in things other than the 2A.  I would love to see someone like Charlton Heston step forward but they haven't yet.  And as you say, the vast majority of us are as you describe, but those principles would get you hurt very quickly in a firefight.  And we are in a firefight, metaphorically.  Ted Nugent was the correct weapon to use in that scenario- PM controlling the cutting floor, so to speak. 

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Re: Piers Morgan, headed to a gun range
« Reply #41 on: February 14, 2013, 11:23:34 AM »
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Who would you pick to speak for us? I don't see anyone else stepping up to the plate. The NRA stands up and guys like you discount what they say believing we need to make yet more concessions to the left than we have already.

And we're done here.  For the record, I'm a longtime member of the NRA and several other organizations.  Do you really think I would own as many guns as I do and be active on firearms forums if I was anti-NRA?  That said, I have no desire to continue a discussion with someone who's going to assume what I (or "guys like me") do and what I think. 

As for redemption and judgment, if he's judged eventually for his sins, it won't be by me.  And I'm not suggesting the man be stoned, nor was John 8:7 concerned with spokesmen and lobbying.  I'm just saying he's a horrible representative for our community.  When it comes to appointing a spokesman for a group of people, official or not, the man's moral track record is certainly relevant.  Let me ask who you tend to favor and find more persuasive - men like Charlton Heston who served their country and led a moral life, or men like the Nuge who dodged the draft and led a life devoid of morals?  Who would you rather have as your representative? 

While CH is no longer around, there are still good men in this country, even if they don't always have the spotlight.  And when people are happy to settle for Ted Nugent, it's unlikely they will see the spotlight any time soon.

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Re: Piers Morgan, headed to a gun range
« Reply #42 on: February 14, 2013, 12:56:13 PM »
list of people better equipped to handle this debate that piers doesnt want to argue the second amendment with: jesse ventura, ice-t, ron paul, judge napolitano, hickok45, bozwell :p. piers is the one picking his opponents, shouldn't that tell you something? there were two women on his show that did rather well besides letting him interrupt them constantly, but other than that we had alex jones who has good points but cant keep his composure on tv. personally i think they should bring a police officer on to explain that they cant get on the scene in time so people should have a gun. end of conversation
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Re: Piers Morgan, headed to a gun range
« Reply #43 on: February 14, 2013, 05:03:29 PM »
list of people better equipped to handle this debate that piers doesnt want to argue the second amendment with: jesse ventura, ice-t, ron paul, judge napolitano, hickok45, bozwell :p. piers is the one picking his opponents, shouldn't that tell you something? there were two women on his show that did rather well besides letting him interrupt them constantly, but other than that we had alex jones who has good points but cant keep his composure on tv. personally i think they should bring a police officer on to explain that they cant get on the scene in time so people should have a gun. end of conversation

Wow! Jesse Ventura? Ice T? You think these dudes are any better than Ted Nugent? Really now you can't pick and choose what criminal behavoir you accept and what you don't.

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Re: Piers Morgan, headed to a gun range
« Reply #44 on: February 14, 2013, 06:29:35 PM »
People, please stay on topic and cease and desist from the 'straw man' attacks.

FWIW, I consider Mr Nugent a loudmouth chickenhawk who does far more harm to our cause than he does good, Jesse Ventura a tin foil hat conspiracy theorist, and Alex Jones a loon of the first order. None of them are either credible or reliable.

Piers Morgan is an irrelevant tool and will do anything for ratings. Much good it's doing him:

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The ratings are in, and Piers Morgan is dead last. Piers Morgan Tonight is struggling to pick up prime-time viewers as it reaches the end of its second year on-air. Here are the stats reported on Wednesday, Jan 16:

FOXNEWS O'REILLY 3,356,000
DISC AMISH MAFIA 3,200,000
FOXNEWS FIVE 2,323,000
FOXNEWS HANNITY 2,276,000
FOXNEWS BAIER 2,235,000
FOXNEWS SHEP 1,813,000
CMDY DAILY SHOW 1,790,000
FOXNEWS GRETA 1,637,000
CMDY COLBERT 1,360,000
MSNBC MADDOW 1,096,000
MSNBC SCHULTZ 1,020,000
MSNBC HARDBALL 875,000
MSNBC SHARPTON 839,000
MSNBC O'DONNELL 831,000
CNN COOPER 604,000
CNN PIERS 592,000

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