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Offline lh49

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CZ-27 Identification
« on: December 02, 2014, 09:57:53 AM »
Just like to say Hi from Mn and thanks for all the knowledge that is available here.
Just started a restore on a cz-27 that has been in the family for quite some time.
Now I could use some help or direction.
The cz that I have is a
Sohmiseche Waffenfbrik A G in Prag
#178174
Pistoe Modell 27 Kal 7.65
Gun is original and in decent condition, needs new grips which are coming.
Restoration will be cleaning only, not going to screw it up making it look new.
Fired nicely years ago.
I would like some help with the serial number, I have found others starting with 200 but?
Any help would be appreciated and thanks in advance.

Offline painter

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Re: CZ-27 Identification
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2014, 12:46:46 PM »
Some info here... http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=13580.0

Your pistol was made during the war under Nazi occupation.

Are there any other markings?
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Offline lh49

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Re: CZ-27 Identification
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2014, 02:21:14 PM »
None that I can see.



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Re: CZ-27 Identification
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2014, 08:23:55 AM »
I had the right to remain silent...

but not the ability.

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Re: CZ-27 Identification
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2014, 09:26:28 AM »
This one has no extra markings on it anywhere.
I will be breaking it down very soon and we will see.
The serial # 178 with no extra is sort of throwing me off.
Thanks for the help, may have to take it somewhere.

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Re: CZ-27 Identification
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2014, 10:37:18 AM »
This site has some more...

http://www.tague.at/pistolen/index.htm?/pistolen/pages/en_cz27.htm

edit...

Based on that site this is what you have.

"B?hmische" variation, a so called "Dual-Tone" piece. Slide blued, frame phosphated. Interesting thing to this one: No serial on the right side of the frame. Based on own researches is this only in the serial range 20,000-245,000.

Characteristics:

Legend:
   

slide top: B?HMISCHE WAFFENFABRIK A.G. IN PRAG

slide left: Pistole Modell 27 Kal. 7,65
Finish:    

slide blued, good finish

frame phosphated, good finish

small parts strawed
Grips:    one piece chequered Bakelit with CZ-Logo
Serial number:    

6-digit number on top of slide

no number on frame

no number on barrel

(only in serial range ~ 200000-245000)
Acceptance stamp:    

E/WaA 76 on right frame

E/WaA 76 on barrel
Test proof stamp:    

E HK
« Last Edit: December 03, 2014, 10:46:37 AM by painter »
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Offline spazzwarr

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Re: CZ-27 Identification
« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2014, 12:27:14 AM »
I have a "definitive" book on Czechoslovakian handguns.  Here is what it says on production numbers and serial numbers.  Working forward I calculate that your gun was manufactured in very early 1943, probably February.   Below is the way the book lists production.

---Two years after occupation all vz 27 production was claimed by the German Military.  Fewer than 5,000 had been produced during that period.
---Early 1941, all production was diverted to German War effort.  Czech sources put the beginning serial number Of German production at #20500.
---Contracts for German Police began in late 1941.  Production did not increase to any great extent, and by the end of 1941, still had not reached a total   
    of more than 42,000 pistols.
---Production ramped up quickly and in 1942, almost 100,000 pistols were made.  (Total production to date, somewhere around 147,000 pistols since   
    German Military took over)
---in the peak production year of 1943 slightly less than 200,000 were made. Going on this and the above, it would seem your pistol was around the
    31,000th pistol made that year of the 200,000 made.  This is little over 1/6 of the production or the first 2 months of production in 1943.  This would be
    somewhere around February of 1943.  This seems to fall in place as daily production reached 500 pistols per day in 1943.
---As a final note: Czech sources give the serial of the last pistol made during the Occupation as #473,000.  This corresponds, almost exactly, with
    known examples.  However, most think this was a symbolic number.  The total quoted production of vz 27 pistols for the German war effort was
    approximately 452,500 pistols.

Hope this is helpful.

spazzwarr

Offline lh49

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Re: CZ-27 Identification
« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2014, 12:34:31 PM »
Thanks a bunch! Very informative and answers alot of the questions.

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Re: CZ-27 Identification
« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2014, 04:06:21 PM »
Hey spazzwarr, 
Could you tell me the book you referred to?  One can never have enough info. lol

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Re: CZ-27 Identification
« Reply #9 on: December 09, 2014, 04:40:48 PM »
Yep got that right.

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Re: CZ-27 Identification
« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2014, 01:32:35 AM »
Hey spazzwarr, 
Could you tell me the book you referred to?  One can never have enough info. lol

TIA

Book is "Know your Czechoslovakian Pistols"  by R. J. Berger.  Blacksmith Publishers Corporation
Excellent book. Starts with the "N" prototype (9mm Luger) and the vz 22  all the way up to the VZ 82 &
vz 83.  Includes pistols like the the Duo, Skoda, Mars etc. and has a brief overview of the Czech factories.
kind of hard to find.  I got my copy from on line about 5 years ago. 

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Re: CZ-27 Identification
« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2014, 09:32:53 AM »
Thank for that resource, I'm sure it will be very useful.

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Re: CZ-27 Identification
« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2014, 10:22:56 PM »
FYI, Gun Digest is having a sale on e-book downloads. They have a CZ 27 Assembly/Disassembly Instructions Download for $2.39 here: http://www.gundigeststore.com/cz-model-1922-exploded-gun-drawing-assembly-disassembly-download

Other downloads available here: http://www.gundigeststore.com/more-great-products/downloads/download-assembly-disassembly?et_mid=711934&limit=120&rid=235836516
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