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Offline dernt

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Re: VZ.58 Pistol Build
« Reply #30 on: December 25, 2014, 08:10:13 PM »
It is my understanding that there is no legal less than 18" shotgun (without a tax stamp), regardless of the stock, or lack there of.  So putting a sig brace on it doesn't make something illegal become legal. 

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Re: VZ.58 Pistol Build
« Reply #31 on: December 25, 2014, 08:46:42 PM »
Lets keep this mostly on topic.  This pistol will get form 1'd as soon as it gets back from refinishing anyway.
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Re: VZ.58 Pistol Build
« Reply #32 on: December 26, 2014, 03:03:16 PM »
I think the sig brace stuff is on topic seeing as soon you may no longer be able to mount a "pistol" to your shoulder w/o having a SBR registration, which for me personally seriously downgrades interest in the CSA pistols...

Also, just thought of this, but are the CSA pistols sold as 922r compliant?  Most manufacturers' pistols aren't...

Dernt you're wrong, see this thread for more -- in brief, shotguns sold as pistols (no buttstock ever attached) with barrels of less than 18" were classified as "firearms" but not NFA weapons...: http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=67941.msg469333#msg469333

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Re: VZ.58 Pistol Build
« Reply #33 on: December 26, 2014, 05:29:28 PM »
Just saw this:
http://gunssavelives.net/gun-industry/breaking-atf-issues-new-opinion-letter-stating-that-shouldering-sig-brace-is-illegal/
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BREAKING: ATF Issues New Opinion Letter Stating That Shouldering Sig Brace Could Be Illegal
DECEMBER 26 2014
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However, several recent letters, including the one that just emerged in the last 24 hours, tends to show that the ATF is changing their tune on shouldering arm braces.
Here is the letter in question which was posted AR15.com earlier today (however the letter seems to be from November). Note paragraph 5 of the 2nd page:
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The Sig Sauer SB-15 pistol stabilizing brace is designed so that a shooter would insert his or her forearm into the device while gripping the pistol's handgrip -- then tighten the Velcro straps for additional support and retention.  As designed, the device provides the shooter with additional support of a firearm while it is still held and operated with one hand  Consequently, a Sig SB-15 shoting brace is not designed or intended for firing a weapon from the shoulder.

Consequently, the attachment of the SB-15 to an AR-type pistol alone; would not change the classification of the pistol to an SBR.  However, if this device, un-modified or modified; is assembled to a pistol and used as a shoulder stock, thus designing or redesigning or making or remaking of a weapon design to be fired from the shoulder; this assembly would constitute the making of a "rifle" as defined in 18 U.S.C. Section 921(a)(7).
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Further, if this device, un-modified or modified; is assembled to a pistol and used as a shoulder stock, in the designing or redesigning or making or remaking of a weapon designed to be fired from the shoulder, which incorporates a barrel length of less than 16 inches; this assemble would constitute the making of a "a rifle having a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length"; an NFA firearm as defined in 26 U.S.C., Section 5845(a)(3).
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It would seem that all recent letters to the ATF are getting a similar response in regards to braces ? the ATF isn?t cool with it.
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Once again, these are just opinion letters. The real test would come in a criminal court if someone was caught shouldering an AR pistol and arrested.

Click through for more: http://gunssavelives.net/gun-industry/breaking-atf-issues-new-opinion-letter-stating-that-shouldering-sig-brace-is-illegal/