Secret offering from Czechpoint - not a VZ58 9mm :(

[CitizenPete]

Communicated with Dan at CzechPointUSA, a week ago, but he said he was sworn to secrecy by the factory on what their new offering is, (coming out later this year).  He did confirm however that it is NOT a 9mm chambered VZ.58.  I can still hope he is just saying that to cover up the announcement, so I sent him a check for $1000 to hold one for me (JK).  Not going to be any VZ.58 or 61, but something new. If he had told me what it was I would never have spilled the beans.  So, just bummed that it's not a new version of the VZ.58.  Maybe a semi-auto Bren, but I would expect/guess that CZ would put that out?

Still no love on acquiring an EVO3 - I guess they are too popular "round these parts" and the prices keep trickling up.  (off my list for now.)  The gun shop that I had the order in with just closed on Saturday.  Well, I might have to look at the US AKX-9.  Sneak preview from Rob Ski:

https://www.full30.com/video/d6f8823607ba94d0c44077560b69920c?utm_source=system&utm_medium=email&utm_content=akoperatorsunion&utm_campaign=subscribers

Still think a VZ58 style rifle chambered in 9mm would be sweet. 

With all the recent releases of semi-auto versions of sub guns in 9mm, surprising I can still find S&B FMJ 115gr for under $220/case - http://www.rareammo.com/Sellier-Bellot-9mm-Luger-115gr-FMJ-50-Rnds_p_2496.html?thissku=SB9A777dash7772329

Definitive Arms?

[muggia59]

Kentuckygunco. has them now for 849$. Unfortunately its off my nose for now to. I don't trust myself to "Not" SBR it, and I just don't see using it as a pistol. Maybe its the EVO3 carbine rumor coming true. THAT would work for me. Still waiting for Palmetto to put their ar9 back on the market. All I need is a complete upper

[RSR]

They do: http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/catalog/product/view/id/20018/s/psa-16-9mm-1-10-melonite-moe-rifle-kit-no-magazine/category/4442/

FWIW, my only gripe w/ the 16" PSA 9mm is that it doesn't have a dust cover...

And check out SG Ammo and AIM for mags...  The ones PSA is selling are the C Products mags that can be had elsewhere for 1/2 their prices...

Personally, I'm leaning more towards the 10.5" barrel Yugo 7.62x39 Krink to see if I like the idea of 7.62x39 pistol/sbr before "upgrading" to the 11.9" VZ58...

Best guess on Czechpoint would be either the SA-24 that inspired the Uzi or perhaps bringing more VZ52s (hopefully in 7.62x39 due to difficulty and cost of acquiring 7.62x45) to the US market... 

[muggia59]

I meant off my "list". Not "nose" . Should proof read. Thanks RSR. Ordered it last night. Also thanks for the info on magazines.

[CitizenPete]

Rather have the AK 9mm platform.  Actually rather have the VZ platform in 9mm SBR. Eventually an EVO3 (SBR'd) will prob make it into the collection.
 I own one AR with a bumpfire stock for giggles, and a SIG 556R (adjustable gas - piston) in 7.62x39.  Never warmed up to the AR design for a variety of reasons. Way too many little critical springs flying out when you strip it and other such nonsense.  Sold 6000 rounds of green tip to a gun store at a premium during the last ATF Ban scare - would never have used it.  Every class I have taken rolling around in a sandy dirty environments, instructors are always stopping to take a break so people can clean and lube their ARs because they are getting jammed (including their own).  Have never understood the attraction to the AR14 platform - too complex for me.  And converting an AR to 7.62x39 seams pretty much like blasphemy to me.  One of my shooting companions built an AR-10 in .308 equipped with a NightForce scope that shoots one holes "groups" in at 200 yards -- I could prob live with that one. 

[PLANofMAN]

It would be neat to have a vz. 58 chambered for .22...

If surplus 7.62 wasn't almost cheaper than .22lr and much easier to find, that is. 

[muggia59]

Just ordered an ar9 upper from Palmetto. Also did an Adams Arms conversion on one of my ar rifles. Very happy with that one. Have a cmmg 22 kit which is fun, but I hate cleaning it. The VZ in 9mm would be awesome.

[RSR]

Quick tip -- Adams arms pinned gas blocks come on their in-house built weapons. 

You can purchase a "blemished" build to order upper on their website for ~$450 or so.  Considering time and effort and extra parts with that upper, it's almost a better deal than any kit I've seen... 

For precision type ARs, you really can't beat DI, but for a general purpose carbine, I really like the piston option... Especially for folks that are either too ignorant or too lazy to keep their weapon properly cleaned and/or lubricated...

[CitizenPete]

Jimmy Christos you would think this is a fracking AR forum with all these AR specific posts.  Give it up or IM for goodness sake.  Not just referring to this thread. 

Try this http://www.ar15.com/.

[muggia59]

You are right, and I apologize for throwing this off topic. Curious about this new mistery 9mm product. Like you said. A 9mm VZ would be awesome.

[RSR]

Then let's talk about AKs.     Kidding...

Back to the original point -- short stroke piston ARs (especially those in 300 BLK) are just wannabe VZ58s but with some advantages/trade offs...  Their main advantages are that they can run a better trigger and barrels are more easily changed...  Bigger accessory market too I suppose...  And piston systems usually vent gases forward moreso than under the handguards...  Overall, I prefer the AR in 5.56 to the VZ58 in the same -- a large part due to the polymer magwell adapter for VZ58s and the standard polymer CSA mags that I don't believe to be superior to ARs...

VZ58s have gotten the mags right from the start in 7.62x39 (vs ARs only the last decade), have more durable pistons, and generally run better for longer than ARs.  Big one -- they were built in 7.62x39 so are 30% to 50% cheaper to feed (depending on how you want to do the math) than anything in 5.56.  But when you burn out our barrel or need to configure for ambi use, there are definitely more challenges with the VZ58...  VZ58s are also pretty much just a carbine, whereas ARs, including piston, can be configured as rifles...

Anyhow, food for thought. 

Maybe that's it -- some .308 or 7.62x54R type of DMR gun coming from CSA.  That'd be cool too.  If only the bulk of 7.62x54R we get so cheap in the states were the DMR loads and not the standard machine gun loadings...

[JAPartridge]

Maybe it's the .22LR conversion kit that's been bantered about?