FAILURE TO EXTRACT HELP

[Jimmybeamer]

I have a cz 85. It has been to two different gunsmiths and it still fails to extract. Magazines are fine, it has a new extractor spring and a new extractor. And it still has a problem. I live in south Africa and it's hard to get any news or help on this issue.

Is there anyone that can help or advise? I have a teacher a photo of exactly what it looks like. It's not my gun but the exact problem. And to extract the casing I have to pull the mag out which takes a lot of force and the rack until the casing comes out. Sometimes it's just stuck and is a real effort.

[painter]

I'm going to assume that the extractor and spring are OK because they've been replaced by a gunsmith, and that job isn't rocket science.

Is this a fired case or a live round?

How often does it happen?

When you get the stuck case out does it look normal?

Have you ever tried pushing the case out from the end of the barrel with a dowel to see how tight it is?

[Lemming]

I would try push the bullet from the chamber with a dowel, as painter has suggested (once the magazine is clear).

If your bullet length is too long,  the head may jam against the rifling when it is chambered. That might make it difficult to extract.

A "normal" bullet should be easily pushed out of the chamber

What part of SA do you live in?  A sports shooting club may be a good place to seek advice from experienced gun people

[Jimmybeamer]

It happens with all bullets it's a nightmare

[Grendel]

If the extractor is not pulling the empty case from the chamber after firing it's either bad or broken. If it fails to do so when extracting an unfired round under hand cycling it's either bad or broken, or the chamber needs reaming out.

ETA: Or your ammunition is not sized correctly. Do you use hand loads or factory?

[Jimmybeamer]

The xtractor is good. What do you mean by the chamber needs reaming out?

[painter]

It happens with all bullets it's a nightmare

Are they fired or unfired?

[Grendel]

If the chamber is undersized it would cause the rounds to jam. This assumes that you fire factory ammunition. If you are using reloads, it's more likely that the ammunition is at fault.

Any gunsmith can check and, if necessary, ream the chamber to make it slightly larger.

[Lemming]

Grendel - I'm afraid not all gunsmiths in South Africa are competent. The small size of the market certainly doesn't allow specialisation in pistols.

I would still recommend that the OP find an experienced sports shooter to help fully and properly diagnose the problem.  Otherwise he may just end up spending more money at a third gunsmith,  without resolving the problem

[Grendel]

There's nothing wrong with asking another shooter - that's what he's doing here after all. Another way to check is to remove the barrel and see if the rounds drop fully into the chamber or not. Someone here should be able to post a picture of what the round should look like if it's correct.

[painter]

You never answered whether or not the rounds were fired or unfired.

This post shows how to tell if the ammo you're using is causing the problem.

http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=71030.msg499750#msg499750

[jwc007]

This post in the Gunsmithing area may be of help: http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=14695.0

[Jimmybeamer]

Cool thanks guys I'll give it a shot and send you guys a pic. I checked the barrel the round sits neatly but I'm no pro. The sport shooters here ain't the best either. I'm off on an op and as soon as I'm back I'll keep you posted

[ThompsonCustom]

5 or so years ago when I bought my first CZ the same thing happened to me. So let me ask you some details about the round placement. The round the was just fired is it 100% seated in the chamber or has it moved back any? When you get the mag pulled out is the top round seated all the way to the rear like it should be or is it forward some? If so how much.

I'm not sure if you can import these springs or not but a 10% extra powered extractor spring and some 10% extra powdered mag springs only help issues like these, Tho the extra spring may have to be fitted or it can cause FTF issues.

Another thing that may need done is the front lower part of the breachface may need beveled and/or the pad on the extractor could need fitted if that part of the frame is out of spec.