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Offline RSR

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Re: Ran a 3Gun this past weekend.
« Reply #15 on: May 28, 2016, 02:24:05 AM »
Re: M92

Boosters put out a ton of flash and blast and do nothing for recoil:
https://youtu.be/C4wSE8mIU54

4 pieces have about same recoil impulse as the boosters, but put out nearly no visible flash, blast sounds reduced and also sounds like it travels more forward (similar to a linear comp) than the boosters which sound more similar to a bare muzzle...

Manticore Nightbrake does look to give more muzzle control, and does work to preserve sight picture, but also appears to work as if you're looking down a light tunnel/hallway with your sights in the middle when you use the pap (out of a 16" barrel, much less blast from reviews I've seen):
https://youtu.be/qMumsBd13QI

And yes, 4 piece brake is heavy, and that's part of the reason why I think I might as well move up to the 12" barreled VZ58 and go w/ a lighter flash hider over the 4 piece brake... 

Re the stormwerkz, they look like a decent option, but I'm planning to go w/ the midwest industries handguard w/ the aimpoint upper that will allow irons to cowitness (bottom 1/3rd).  With the red dot further forward, it gives a better field of vision and keeps more in line w/ how I have other red dots on other weapons.  YMMV.
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Re: Ran a 3Gun this past weekend.
« Reply #16 on: May 28, 2016, 02:57:54 AM »
RE shotguns -- CP is right about semi auto if serious about competition.  Semi auto shotguns also help to reduce felt recoil over pumps or double barreled or single shots as well... 
Shotguns are hard weapons to run reliably in most configurations...  All take awhile to reload.  With pumps, short stroking is common when folks are under stress.  Semi-autos traditionally are less than reliable, especially if you want it to shoot an assortment of ammo, and double barrels and single shots really aren't ideal for serious use.  And I say this despite a thing for double barreled sporting shotguns that I've purposely been denying simply b/c I can't justify on price + utility...

Semi autos do seem to be improving reliability though overall as the 3 gun market does seem to be pushing some innovation on reliability.  Before you had just high end skeet competition guns tuned for reliability w/ a particular load, and then you had the field guns that required testing of every load to ensure function before hitting the field -- which most hunters don't do.  They grab a box of whatever at their local ammo store on the way to the field...

Point being, all shotguns pose challenges -- the benefits of pumps vs semi-autos is that they're often things that can be correct through training (including dry firing and safe manipulation in the home) vs semi autos that often involve gunsmithing and specific ammo requirements, etc.

But to be clear, I don't consider myself a subject matter, including amateur, expert on any matter involving shotguns...  So definitely listen to others here.  Was just passing along some deals.

One thing I forgot to mention in earlier emails was that you'll often see sporter and home defense packages with shotguns -- so 2 barrels and one receiver.  If looking to minimize cost and cover multiple shotgun basics, that might be something to consider. 

And just fyi: On gas guns, there have been a lot of good deals lately on the Weatherby 459 semi-autos in both 12 and 20 gauge.  I know nothing about them, but I'm opposed, on principle, to shotguns with stocks having pistol grips...  Only without a stock do pistol grips make sense on shotguns in my personal opinion.  I did look, and there don't appear to be any direct swaps for this particular model w/o diy modification of other options... 
A search on slickguns will probably point you in the right direction if looking there.  I want to say pricing around $400 for these if I recall correctly.  Excepting my pistol grip exception, reviews on them are seemed pretty positive. 
My interest was in 20 gauge semi-auto to see if the mrs preferred that to a 22lr gun for dealing with varmint issues when husband not home...  .410 is too limiting IMO.  I'm building her her own 10/22 instead, but haven't finalized optic yet.

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Re: Ran a 3Gun this past weekend.
« Reply #17 on: May 31, 2016, 12:15:07 PM »
CP and RSR - lots of good info to think about regarding shotguns, thanks. I definitely would want a semi-auto.

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Re: Ran a 3Gun this past weekend.
« Reply #18 on: May 31, 2016, 04:43:15 PM »
Let a shooter try my Saiga12 with a drum on Saturday at the range.  He was shooting a new Remington pump he had just picked up.

After he ran through 10 rounds with the Saiga12 he wanted to know where to get one.  Unfortunately, the POTUS signed an EO (executive order) banning import of anything from the Kalashnikov concern, which includes Russian Saigas.  Fortunately, the Russian VEPR12 (MOLOT factory) is not included under the ban and IMO is a bit more feature rich then the Saiga12 Mag well adapter, BHO last round, etc.), but no VEPR drums as of yet.

I would probably go with the VEPR over the Saiga if I had the choice today.

Saw two VEPR12s with 8 or 12 rnd stick mags during last weeks 3Gun. .. and one Saiga12 (mine).

This was one of the fellows at the 3Gun with the VEPR:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYtnBRKZuOI
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