How many use slide stop as a slide release for speed shooting?

[1SOW]

The "timer" will show a firm insert the fastest way to release the slide.  When the slide release is used,  it must come "after" the mag insert.  If you're well practiced at using the slide release,  AND not hyper-stressed by the situation, using the slide release and while reacquiring your grip  can be almost as fast as a firm insert release.

[rhart]

The "timer" will show a firm insert the fastest way to release the slide.  When the slide release is used,  it must come "after" the mag insert.  If you're well practiced at using the slide release,  AND not hyper-stressed by the situation, using the slide release and while reacquiring your grip  can be almost as fast as a firm insert release.

Agreed.

[Shooter1911]

I almost always use the slide stop. Back in the 80s when we started carrying Sig P226s for duty use our instructors had been to Sig school. They said they were trained to use the slide stop and that Sig recommended that. That is the way we trained and I still do it if shooting for speed at all. Just bulls eye I usually rack it with the off hand. Slide stop is a tiny bit faster by I think that with many pistols the racking by the off hand is more certain.

[olfarhors]

Depends on the particular weapon, on my 1911's I almost always use the rack the slide and release.
 my CZ and EAA I generally use the slide lock as they are easily reached and easy to unlock the slides.
 actually I much prefer the ones that  let go of the slide with a firm mag insertion.

[Mike -]

I'm with rhart.
Just getting back into shooting after a 25 year layoff.  I've decided to try a few new things from my old habits.

One is the slide release.  Since different weapons have different slide release locations and lever sizes, and even though I have fairly large hands, releasing the slide on my 1911 without changing the grip position is not a good thing, I decided to learn the two handed method.  I'd never seen anyone do this, but now, with just a little practice, it's very natural.  My off hand thumb now releases the slide.

And yea...what is "sling shoting" ?

And I really do not understand why some don't like letting the slide go free to battery.  This is exactly what happens during a normal shot, slide blows back, goes forward, strip new round, chamber and back into battery...  No difference.  If the gun can't take that...time for a better design.

Mike

[Mike -]

Looked into this "sling shoting" phenomenon, motion(s).

Seems a complete waste of motion to me.  A large movement that the open hand does not need to make.  Just too many movements.

AND...there's a HUGE possibility of the "racking" hand slipping on the slide, for many reasons.  Count the ways...rain, sweat, cold, mud, blood, (other bodily fluids!), squashed sandwich, loose jacket, being in tight space..!

There's no way that the "sling shot" motion is faster from...fresh magazine - to re-aim...than the two handed, drop the slide stop with the off-hand...by equally competent people performing their given practiced steps.
Or with the gun hand with a long enough or rearward positioned slide stop lever, than the gun hand thumb dropping the slide stop.

Mike

P.S. - And as far as part of the original post, one would have more to be concerned about if letting the slide run free will damage their weapon.

[rhart]

Looked into this "sling shoting" phenomenon, motion(s).


P.S. - And as far as part of the original post, one would have more to be concerned about if letting the slide run free will damage their weapon.

Exactly, I've always heard you shouldn't release the slide when you have a round in the chamber, but releasing the slide with the slide stop is harder on the gun than pulling the slide back even further and releasing it just doesn't jive with me. Also, there is a difference in "sling-shotting" and racking the slide in my understanding. Sling-shoting is pinching the rear of the slide between the fingers of the off-hand and simultaneously pushing the gun in the opposite direction with the gun-hand similar to operating a slingshot to release the slide - which is an extremely inefficient way to release the slide. While racking the slide with an overhand grip with the off-hand is more efficient (and more "tactical" looking) than the amatuerish-looking slingshot method. Regardless, using the slide stop, as intended by the manufacturer, is more efficient and therefore faster by definition - even though there are doubtless practiced professionals who can rack the slide faster than an unpracticed shooter can release the slide stop - to your point.

[Grendel]

Good gravy, if you're worried that releasing the slide, whether by hand racking it or by using the slide catch, might damage something, you must be absolutely beside yourself when all those explosions go off inside the gun.

Of all the things to concern ourselves about with our guns, sling shotting or overhand racking the slide instead of using the slide catch is the least of them.

The reason it's not a good idea to release the slide when there's a round in the chamber is to prevent damage to the extractor claw, nothing to do with the slide catch.

[1SOW]

Releasing the slide is NOT the same as the pistol cycling a shot.  The slide goes FULLY to the rear when firing
This provides a maximum force insertion of the cartridge into the chamber.
Also,  . The overhand method is okay for some pistols and some hands,  but if your hand is even "partially"  blocking the ejection port it can cause .problems or even a potential hazard.  Tap Rack comes to mind.
  Think we've covered every possible method yet?

[SlvrDragon50]

I thought I Would use a slide release, but I ran out of ammo once or twice yesterday, and I found that my instinct is to rack the slide.

[s0nspark]

Good gravy, if you're worried that releasing the slide, whether by hand racking it or by using the slide catch, might damage something, you must be absolutely beside yourself when all those explosions go off inside the gun.

OMG!!! I wondered what all that noise was...

[frgood]

This is a follow up to my previous post. How many of you folks use the slide stop for speed shooting? I know many shooters recommend using only the slingshot method, partly because they feel using the slide stop as a release can damage some guns.

Being a lefty I'm debating whether I should by a CZ with a ambi slide stops.

This lefty uses the slide stop on my 85 and my TS .40.  Depending on your finger length, the right hand slide stop may not bear any fruit. I cannot reach it in time. When I do a reload, I depress the slide stop with my trigger finger as it brings itself down to the trigger to fire. It is an economy of motion as the rules require the finger to be out of the trigger guard during reload. As it is resting on the slide stop, it is a natural action and has not impact on time.

Regarding 'damage'. The lever is the slide release lever. It has the specific function of releasing the slide after a magazine reload. It is more than a feature. It is the function of the part. Please ignore any thought that a functioning slide stop release lever will damage the gun.

[Mike -]

1sow wrote -
""Releasing the slide is NOT the same as the pistol cycling a shot.  The slide goes FULLY to the rear when firing""

Well yea, it is.  It's plenty within a measurable distance.  Both the extra .125"/.150" (different on each gun) or so and the extra speed, VERY difficult to actually measure AND different on every weapon...it's close enough.

Mike