Trying to decide...

[Johncz9mm]

Hi all, I'm trying to decided between the decocker compact or the safty compact (cz 75 d pcr compact OR cz 75 compact). Question 1: is there a firing pin block like the M9 Baretta on either of these guns? I don't think there is, but not sure. Im not talking about the firing pin drop safty, but rather a block safty.
Question 2:  having never owned an hammer fired automatic, is it advisable to carry these pistols with the hammer completly down? The hammer being lowered slowly by hand all the way down.

I've read and watched alot about these two guns, but no consistanty clear answere to these two question. Any thoughts are greatly appreciated.
John

[cntrydawwwg]

1. No
2. Absolutely. The decockers lower the hammer to the half cock notch. If you chose, you could then manually lower the rest of the way. (Not sure why you would, but hey, your choice [emoji6])
   The safety versions of course can be carried full cock/ safety on, manually lower to half cock, or manually lower hammer all the way. The safety can only be used at full cock.
   Practice, practice, practice manually lowering the hammer[emoji6]

[Johncz9mm]

CNTRYDAWWWG.    Thanks for the reply. Am I wrong in assuming that carrying the gun with the hammer all the way down is safer than carrying it half cocked via the decocker?

[Sooltauq]

With a decocker, the decocked half-trigger position is actually safer than the fully hammer-down position, since the half-trigger position has a blocker that prevents an inadvertent firing, i.e., you get into a car accident and the force of the impact jars the hammer on the pin. Thus, if a round is chambered, the safest position for a decocker is the decocked position.

As for the difference between a safety and a decocker, it is largely personal choice. Law enforcement personnel tend to like safeties in case somebody grabs their gun (they can presumably fight to take it back before the person figures out how to turn the safety off), and firearm novices are probably better off with a safety. Experienced gun owners tend (but this is nothing like a hard rule) to like decockers, and thus let their trigger finger "be the safety" in conjunction with the substantially longer pull for the first round, which is double-action.

1. No
2. Absolutely. The decockers lower the hammer to the half cock notch. If you chose, you could then manually lower the rest of the way. (Not sure why you would, but hey, your choice [emoji6])
   The safety versions of course can be carried full cock/ safety on, manually lower to half cock, or manually lower hammer all the way. The safety can only be used at full cock.
   Practice, practice, practice manually lowering the hammer[emoji6]

[Sooltauq]

CNTRYDAWWWG.    Thanks for the reply. Am I wrong in assuming that carrying the gun with the hammer all the way down is safer than carrying it half cocked via the decocker?

Yes, that is an incorrect presumption. In fact, the half-cocked position is the safest with a decocker.

[Johncz9mm]

Ok. I'm going with the decocker and will carry it decocked via the decocker. Thanks for all your help.
John

[cntrydawwwg]

CNTRYDAWWWG.    Thanks for the reply. Am I wrong in assuming that carrying the gun with the hammer all the way down is safer than carrying it half cocked via the decocker?

    Yep, that's a wrong assumption. The half cock is the designed carry position for the decocker. As for which is safer .... weeelllll, not going to try to touch that one. (Too many threads on that already[emoji85][emoji86][emoji87])
   In my opinion, it don't matter. It's personal choice. As long as there is a working FP block, the hammer can get wacked with an object and still not fire. The trigger has to be pulled to get past the FP block. (Yes, weird stuff can happen)
    In the safety model you have three safeties. First the safety itself, then the half cock notch on the hammer, then the FP block.
    The decockers have two safeties. The half cock notch on the hammer, and then the FP block.
   Of course then there's the safety between your ears for any firearm[emoji6]
   But hey, I'm just some guy on a forum. [emoji87]
    As far as who prefers what...... I have no idea. I came to CZ from shooting DA revolvers so I have no need for a safety. Doesn't mean I won't own one. My first CZ was a decocker (First Rami I could find) Decided to keep the same manual of arms. I have no problem manually lowering a hammer, just choose not to. [emoji2]
   Just to add.... no matter what you get, I think it's a good thing to practice manually lowering the hammer (with an empty firearm) just so you know how to do it and be comfortable with it. Just my $.02.

[sigken]

If you are going to carry this piece, I'd recommend the PCR. The decocker is very helpful and the gun is a little bit lighter due to its alloy frame.

The compact with safety is also a popular choice for carry. Especially those who like to carry cocked and locked like 1911 style. I like that idea better on the 1911s because of its grip safety.

[Tyerone]

I like both the safety and decocker versions.  In either case I carry DA-- hammer at the partial cock notch.  The "B" stands for firing pin block.  For the safety versions, secure the hammer, touch the trigger far enough to break it loose, get your trigger finger out of the trigger guard (so the firing pin block serves as a backup) then guide the hammer to where it stops (the partial cock position).  It is really easier than it sounds.  If you desire the hammer all the way down, you'd have to keep the trigger pulled defeating the backup FPB.  Also not too difficult to do safely, but why?

[Pilot1]

I have no use for a decocker as I use my thumb for that, and I prefer the simpler mechanism of the safety.  That being said, I own, and carry a PCR just because it comes that way.  Excellent pistol.  I carry it on the half cock notch, but I also carry my full size 75B (with safety) on the half cock notch.